Libya to boost UK economy!

Cleaver

FallenAngel9898 wrote: »

Those 270 poor souls have been sold down the river by the government for a trade deal, I thought the government were low, but now they have dropped to the level of scum, Brown & Co should hang their heads in shame.

Is there actually any evidence of deals being done?

Kev09

FallenAngel9898 wrote: »

Those 270 poor souls have been sold down the river by the government for a trade deal, I thought the government were low, but now they have dropped to the level of scum, Brown & Co should hang their heads in shame.

I reckon it was PR exercise to make up for a disasterous foreign policy which has seen the maming and slaughter of many afghan and Iraqi citizens as the USA attempts to seek retribution for 9/11.

There are a new breed of terriosts being raised. Here is question how many dead Iraqi babies is one western life actually worth?

1echidna

FallenAngel9898 wrote: »

Those 270 poor souls have been sold down the river by the government for a trade deal, I thought the government were low, but now they have dropped to the level of scum, Brown & Co should hang their heads in shame.

This kind of accusation makes me quite angry. No evidence or even real plausability, just the most malign and malicious accusation that comes to mind in the hope that if one slings enough mud some of it will stick.

vivatifosi

1echidna wrote: »

This kind of accusation makes me quite angry. No evidence or even real plausability, just the most malign and malicious accusation that comes to mind in the hope that if one slings enough mud some of it will stick.

I've been stuck in a hospital today watching the news on TV there and to be fair, it has been intimated at pretty widely. If there is evidence I would imagine it would become pretty clear over the next few days. If the UK - whether represented by Mandelson, Prince Andrew, Gordon Brown or anyone else for that matter has inferred this in writing I'd expect it to be leaked by the Libyans before next weekend.

Meanwhile the Observer tomorrow will splash on Brown's relationship with Gadaafi, while the Telegraph will lead with Mandelson. At the same time the Conservatives have called for the government and Foreign Office to make its letters public so that people can tell for themselves. Even the Economist has got in on the act...

But the Lockerbie case has always been intertwined with high politics, in particular with Mr Qaddafi’s efforts to launder his reputation and drag Libya out of international isolation. His country’s rich hydrocarbon deposits and its role in the fight against Islamist terrorism may also be considerations. The fact that his son recently bumped into Lord Mandelson, Britain’s powerful first secretary, on holiday in Corfu, has fuelled speculation about a stitch-up. Whether or not such chatter is overheated, and whatever the demands of compassion, justice seems not to have been well-served.
http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14285220

vivatifosi

Interesting development this morning. Remember the government saying that this was entirely a Scottish justice decision, nothing to do with them?

Per the Observer:
Meanwhile, details emerged of a second letter written by the Foreign Office minister Ivan Lewis to the Scottish justice minister, Kenny MacAskill, confirming that there were no legal reasons not to let Megrahi go and concluding: "I hope on this basis you will now feel able to consider the Libyan application."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/aug/23/gordon-brown-letter-gaddafi-lockerbie

1echidna

I think one can almost guarantee that if the decision had been not to release Megrahi those very same posters who are now criticising it would have been berating the gov't for being poodles of the Americans. There seems to be a mindset from some posters that whatever the UK gov't does (or in this case didn't do) is wrong and think of some reason afterwards, the more malicious the better. This transparently mindless mindset by some posters is enough to think one should vote Labour.

vivatifosi

As I have stated before I am strongly against the release of Megrahi. My reason for stating that ought to be clear and is grounded in my own family's experience of terrorism.

If he is guilty, then as a mass murderer of 270 people he does not deserve compassionate release. If he is innocent, then the families of those 270 people deserve to know the truth. In manipulating a situation where he is released on compassionate grounds, even if the government knows what the truth is regarding Megrahi, the families of the victims will not. That is a terrible injustice against humanity, irrespective of where those victims on the plane were from, or whatever injustices were carried out in the name of their governments elsewhere. Further, if Megrahi is innocent, then he too is a victim. To achieve closure people need to know the truth. What chance is there of that now, given such a huge fudge?

If I am cynical about Labour's role in this, it is because they said it was a Scottish issue, but appear to have been influencing decisions all along. I would have been equally angry if it was a tory, or US government involved.

ess0two

http://www.oilvoice.com/n/Libya_set_to_Shell_Out_on_UKs_Second_Biggest_Oil_Refinery/8eab12f03.aspx

1echidna

vivatifosi wrote: »

As I have stated before I am strongly against the release of Megrahi. My reason for stating that ought to be clear and is grounded in my own family's experience of terrorism.

If he is guilty, then as a mass murderer of 270 people he does not deserve compassionate release. If he is innocent, then the families of those 270 people deserve to know the truth. In manipulating a situation where he is released on compassionate grounds, even if the government knows what the truth is regarding Megrahi, the families of the victims will not. That is a terrible injustice against humanity, irrespective of where those victims on the plane were from, or whatever injustices were carried out in the name of their governments elsewhere. Further, if Megrahi is innocent, then he too is a victim. To achieve closure people need to know the truth. What chance is there of that now, given such a huge fudge?

If I am cynical about Labour's role in this, it is because they said it was a Scottish issue, but appear to have been influencing decisions all along. I would have been equally angry if it was a tory, or US government involved.

I am happy to accept your reasoned postings as an exception to my comments and apoligise for making what could be construed as a blanket criticism.

I sincerely believe however that justice is not the preserve of victims of a crime in the way that seems to fashionable at the moment. I hope that my reaction if I was a victim would not be to second guess the judicial system or to indulge in special pleading on the basis of wanting 'closure'.

chopperharris

Have we all so soon forgotten the good friday agreement?

Ira uvf bombers and murderers of children were realeased with no compasionate grounds , but happilly enough that actually has worked so far .... with the occasional tragic exception of course.

The same news papers , that are now screaming about scotlands justice system , were only too freely berating the american one not too long ago , ie the poor computer hacker asperger conman having to be extradited....and should they actually print that he was offered a deal years ago then the news has a new bent , and lets not forget his legal aid too.

HAve we all so easilly forgot that the death toll of civilians/soldiers numbering in the hundreds of thousands , all by american politics , through invading and interfereing in foreign matters , including the scots that died through panam 103 on scots soil by the REAL bomber.

The americans and UK made the likes of saddam , silently funded him , then got rid of him.HE wasnt the first pocket general in the oil regions and wont be the last.The same can be said of the taleban once being the praised and secretly funded mujhadeem against the big bad invading communists...is that coincidence or conspiracy that it only seems to have happened in oil rich coutries.

Boycott they say , well "goan yersel" as they say in the land of the nearly free.

TO Boycott , named so after a brtish land agent and the treating of his charges led to them withholding labour against him , on the foreign soil of EIRE.The media of the time painted him out to be the victim just like america and panam 103 and the freeing of magrahi.Perhaps their people should be sorting out their own country interfering abroad that caused it in the first place.But thats one thing the yanks are good at , blaming others through media manipulation....and the uk is catching up.