What income is taken into account for NRP's?

amilotte

Hi

I posted a while ago re whether it was worth all the stress and thankyou to everyone who replied! I did end up putting in an official complaint and for the moment things seem to have moved on slightly, well, further than they had been anyway :rolleyes:.

My question this time is what income is taken into consideration for the NRP's assessment. The figure I have had back is that he is only earning £185 per week and as a self employed barber (has his own shop) I do not buy this for one minute. That would mean that he would be earning less than 10k a year and I don't believe that someone would keep a business running on that amount when they could earn more working for someone else (maybe I am being naive, I know we are in a credit crunch but these low figures have been consistently low over the years). If he is in receipt of benefits then this figure is even more unbelievable!

Also, if these benefits are being paid to his wife (she does not work) does he need to declare these ie. is it the household income that it calculated or just what is going into his bank account.

(Amazing how resourceful a NRP can be with their 'small' earnings....... they have recently booked a trip to Florida and just bought a new pram priced at 90% of his weekly income :rotfl:)

shell_542

amilotte wrote: »

My question this time is what income is taken into consideration for the NRP's assessment. The figure I have had back is that he is only earning £185 per week and as a self employed barber (has his own shop) I do not buy this for one minute. That would mean that he would be earning less than 10k a year and I don't believe that someone would keep a business running on that amount when they could earn more working for someone else (maybe I am being naive, I know we are in a credit crunch but these low figures have been consistently low over the years). If he is in receipt of benefits then this figure is even more unbelievable!

Also, if these benefits are being paid to his wife (she does not work) does he need to declare these ie. is it the household income that it calculated or just what is going into his bank account.

(Amazing how resourceful a NRP can be with their 'small' earnings....... they have recently booked a trip to Florida and just bought a new pram priced at 90% of his weekly income :rotfl:)

How does the CSA work out earnings from self-employment?

If the non-resident parent is self-employed we work out their average weekly earnings for the most recent tax year.
However, there may be times when we cannot work out earnings from self-employment in this way. For example, if the non-resident parent has only recently started self-employed work we use details of the gross income (all the money the business, rather than the non-resident parent, has earned). We then take away from the gross income:

• any reasonable expenses paid to run the business (not including capital expenditure or business entertainment expenses)
• VAT (value added tax)

They also include any child tax credits the family receive.

If the NRP or their partner receive Income Support, Contribution Based Job Seekers Allowance ... and many other benefits, the details of which can be found on the CSA website, then NRP will only pay a base rate of child support at £5 per week.

It might be that he is running a business on a low wage for himself, many self employed people do, just for the satisfaction of running their own business and being their own boss, as long as it is paying their bills. Maybe he is fiddling his books, if you can find evidence of this or think his lifestyle is more expensive than what he claims to earn, you can ask for a Variation (I think it's called) and they will look further into your claim.

As for the holiday, maybe they've saved up and the pram ... is the partner pregnant? A pregnant woman gets grants, £500 and £190, maybe they used money from one of those or again saved up ...

amilotte

shell_542 wrote: »

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It might be that he is running a business on a low wage for himself, many self employed people do, just for the satisfaction of running their own business and being their own boss, as long as it is paying their bills. Maybe he is fiddling his books, if you can find evidence of this or think his lifestyle is more expensive than what he claims to earn, you can ask for a Variation (I think it's called) and they will look further into your claim.

As for the holiday, maybe they've saved up and the pram ... is the partner pregnant? A pregnant woman gets grants, £500 and £190, maybe they used money from one of those or again saved up ...

Thanks for your reply. He has in the past admitted that he is 'cooking the books' in his words and also that he has to be careful how much he is claiming he earns as he will then be on a higher tax code.... indicates to me that he is earning alot more? The problem is getting the hard evidence as aside from sitting outside the shop all day there is not alot I can do. His wife's parents (business) have bought the house on their behalf (which is up for sale as they 'need more space' ie they will be purchasing a larger property) so there is no benefit for him to declare his full income. On the face of it he looks like he has no money as, of course, it is not going in the bank but their spending would indicate otherwise. I am in no way begrudging them holidays or the big flat screen TV with surround sound system that they have bought but when its at the expense of the tax payer through tax evasion and benefit cheating then thats another matter

No, their youngest is now a toddler so it was a replacement, I sound pathetic highlighting this but surely if you earn that little you wouldn't spend that much on a pram...I don't know, maybe I am too good at money saving :rotfl:.

I am just positive that something is amiss here, he either has not declared the benefits that he is on or if he has and this £185 is including benefits then the shop is earning a pittance which I just dont accept. If that is there only income then I don't see how they can afford to live, as he claims he has been earning pretty much this amount for the past few years (so say not working before this) so by the time you have taken out the general costs of living (rent, food etc) I would not have thought there would be alot left

Its difficult to explain but I know him and the stunts that he has pulled in the past to avoid the CSA and the lies he constantly tells (a typical example of his behaviour is to cancel a meeting we had planned weeks earlier to discuss reintroducing him and our daughter after 7 years, as suggested by myself - I then find out that there was a big boxing match early that morning that he obviously felt he could not miss!) . It just makes me so cross when there are others being hammered by the CSA for everything they have while others (like my ex) are allowed to fleece the system. My husband was talking to someone the other day who is paying £1000 :eek: for his ex and kids to remain living in the family home and has little left for himself and he isn't exactly earning mega bucks either.

Perhaps I will ask for a variation allthough half of me thinks I'd be better off sticking to what I have been offered as I will only delay any payments further. After 9 years and only a few hundred quid received I am grateful for whatever they manage to get out of him!!

frugallass

I'm in the same boat as you amilotte - ex is a self-employed builder - very skilled and very experienced - and believe it or not he takes home £201 a week - he lives in a three-bedroomed house, has a nice car, takes good holidays, plays golf, goes fishing, drinks, smokes and pays me £26 a week leaving him with £175 a week - bless !

He's a lying, thieving toe-rag, and his daughter knows it now

I have no way of proving his earnings (I live too far away).

I'm a firm believer in 'what goes around comes around' - he was laid off not so long ago and struggled for a wee while and boy did I enjoy hearing him moaning.

Of course he's back in work again now but I got a bit of satisfaction hearing him say he couldn't afford to pay for my daughter's train fare home (I paid it and he paid me back).

Him and his girlfriend have just split up which means he won't be classed as responsible for her kids anymore, thus increasing my payments slightly.

The CSA do have to power to look at NRP's bank accounts / statements but are often reluctant to get off their fat, lazy backsides to do so.

Dancing_Shoes

frugallass wrote: »

I'm in the same boat as you amilotte - ex is a self-employed builder - very skilled and very experienced - and believe it or not he takes home £201 a week - he lives in a three-bedroomed house, has a nice car, takes good holidays, plays golf, goes fishing, drinks, smokes and pays me £26 a week leaving him with £175 a week - bless !

He's a lying, thieving toe-rag, and his daughter knows it now

I have no way of proving his earnings (I live too far away).

I'm a firm believer in 'what goes around comes around' - he was laid off not so long ago and struggled for a wee while and boy did I enjoy hearing him moaning.

Of course he's back in work again now but I got a bit of satisfaction hearing him say he couldn't afford to pay for my daughter's train fare home (I paid it and he paid me back).

Him and his girlfriend have just split up which means he won't be classed as responsible for her kids anymore, thus increasing my payments slightly.

The CSA do have to power to look at NRP's bank accounts / statements but are often reluctant to get off their fat, lazy backsides to do so.

I'm sure that £26 goes a long way towards bringing up your daughter....:rolleyes:

frugallass

Dancing_Shoes wrote: »

I'm sure that £26 goes a long way towards bringing up your daughter....:rolleyes:

yeah - her driving lessons are £25 a week !