We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!
The Forum now has a brand new text editor, adding a bunch of handy features to use when creating posts. Read more in our how-to guide

Should I start a SIPP?

2»

Comments

  • jamesd
    jamesd Posts: 26,103 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    edited 30 July 2009 at 9:26PM
    Masomnia wrote: »
    I remember the same happening on here with Blackrock's Absolute Alpha fund, people rushing in and then complaining when their investment went down.
    No reason to complain when it went down, it didn't have a no drops guarantee...

    Just in case you didn't follow it at the time what happened there seems mainly to have been the manager assuming that oil prices would stay high and then that they would rise when they had fallen, so the fund had a net long exposure to oil stocks. Same mistake essentially as Warren Buffett made.

    Still managed to do way better than the equity market, but gilts did better still.

    You do gain from the pension tax relief in two ways:

    1. on the 25% tax free lump sum, where you got relief on the way in and paid no tax on the way out.
    2. through the personal allowance that reduces the amount you pay the tax on: relief on it all going in, taxed on only the part above the personal allowance on the way out.

    You also gain in both an ISA and a pension from tax-advantaged growth over the years that increases both of those two effects.

    One choice to make today is to wonder whether the basic rate of tax and pension tax rebate will increase. If it does that would mean that you can benefit from using a S&S ISA today and a pension once the rebate increases. Just using a cash ISA won't work unless the stock markets stay the same or go down, because you'd lose any market growth between now and the rate change, likely to be far more than a possible increase in the tax gain.
  • whiteflag_3
    whiteflag_3 Posts: 1,395 Forumite
    EdInvestor wrote: »
    If you later want to put the money into a pension and have a job, you can get tax relief on the whole lot, not just £3,600 a year.

    Hello Edinvestor

    Thanks for your informative posts . To help me and other readers undertstand more about this statement, can you clearly state what you mean and also explain how you know what the UK tax regimes will be in relation to pensions over the next forty years?

    Thanks again

    Whiteflag
  • You could consider building funds now in a S&S ISA - maybe you're too young to commit funds to a SIPP/Personal Pension - remember once the money is in it can't come out!

    After building funds under an ISA, you could maybe benefit from higher rate tax relief on contributions in at a later age, rather than taking basic rate relief now.

    HTH
This discussion has been closed.
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 353.6K Banking & Borrowing
  • 254.2K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 455.1K Spending & Discounts
  • 246.6K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 603K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 178.1K Life & Family
  • 260.6K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.7K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.