Getting a job after dismissal

chipmoon

And I'm supposed to put her down as a referee?

Pete111

They weren't able to identify who managed you in your previous job within the same firm? Very odd!


Firstly, have they invited you formally to a disciplinary hearing? If not they will be unlikely to dismiss you at this point as this would not be following correct process. They may simply be sitting you down informally to discuss things. Assuming this is a formal process however, here's my two penneth.


1) Be totally honest about why you did not give the correct manager as a reference. Do not say you 'read a policy somewhere' as that is weak as hell and TBH a pretty poor excuse. Do say that you understand that you were in the wrong but that you were worried sick about the personal reference your old LM would have given you as you had a personality clash which resulted in you making a stupid decision which you deeply regret.

2) Point towards your work /performance record in your old job. If you are as good as you say then this will help show you were/are the right person for the job on merit. Will your new manager support that you are doing well in the new role? If so, you may want to speak to them about this issue as they may be willing to provide a supporting statemenmt etc. You are able to take a companion to any formal disciplinary meeting so consider this option also.

3) Do not jump to the conclusion you will lose your job. They will need to consider this gross misconduct in order to dismiss you on the spot. Do not resign at this point as you may be jumping the gun

Personally if you came completely clean at this point I would be considering a written or final warning as an alternative sanction here but this would depend on your previous conduct. If you were a 'known' troublemaker I would possibly use this as an excuse to dismiss you (again depending on precedent /policy) as there may just about be sufficient grounds.

Hope this helps

P

chipmoon

Thanks Pete, your post was very helpful. They haven't told me that it is a formal hearing or to bring anyone along. They just said they want to meet with me and it's a "reference query."

I went to see my union today. And they said that saying that I was worried I would get a bad reference is the same as deliberately going out to mislead therefore falsifying information and leading to dismissal as I am no longer trustworthy. Their advice was to say what I thought about it not mattering and that I don't have much experience in the field of applying for jobs.

I don't know how the senior managers consider me but I guess having bought up management issues about the other manager would make me look like a trouble maker. I had mentioned the issues to one of the managers in the informal hearing tomorrow that I have all these issues with the line manager I didn't put down on my reference but I never followed it up so I'm not sure how it will look for me.

His manager however is not so easy going so I'm not sure what they have in store for me. I have been a good employee though and I have always been flexible towardsd the service and its need.

The new manager won't support me as she was the one who bought this to the attention of the other senior managers. She has said I am very talented and very good at what I do but will not put this in a supporting statement.

reheat

Anyone with OP's history is hard to trust ... hard to know if you can dare trust. I've encountered a good few highly proficient habitual liars/cheats in my time, and the big problem is ... they mimic really honest and/or truly reformed characters incredibly well ... for a while at least ... though not for terribly long. How can you distinguish? ... I certainly cannot in a forum like this.

If you are genuinely reformed and on the straight and narrow now OP, then you have my full support and I truly wish you all the best ... I really do. But if you are just playing head games, best you play with yourself ... not others. That's the terrible trap you make for yourself when you undermine other people's trust in yourself ... it will take time and patience to repair the damage. And you will have to learn and accept why people like me cannot know if they can trust you or not.

chipmoon

Thanks reheat for your comment, I appreciate it very much and I agree with you on many aspects. Just so you know, no I'm not playing headgames and every mistake I have made in life has reasons.

And with the second mistake on references, I wasn't aware of these policies. I did think perhaps it should be ref a but then I thought ref x has also managed me and can comment on my performance and is senior, so what could possibly be an issue? It was my second job in life that required a reference. The other jobs never did as such I didn't realise there was a big hoo haa with references. I didn't even realise it was considered illegal within an organisation until I was taken in for questioning. I wouldn't be so dumb to get it wrong if I knew back then that this is a punishable act.

It's fair enough for people like you not to trust me, especially since you don't know me but what has happened has been a major learning curve for me and made me more aware in terms of employment and is something I will certainly take into future jobs, if given a chance.

I do learn from my mistakes and it is only human to make mistakes. I'm sure along your way of experience, you have done things you've later regretted. Nobody is perfect and in my case, I made two big faults but I am very young and it is only with this experience that I will learn more about life.

I must be doing something right in my life though for employers have placed alot of trust in me and promoted me way earlier than others in my position. And as I have said before, my exceptional performance at work and always making things happen when even those senior to me have not been able to do it counts for something.

I had my meeting yesterday and they told me they will not pursue it any further and I believe that was due to my exceptional performance. It is true, I made a big mistake and they can easily replace me but without sounding overly arrogrant, will the next person have the same skills and aptitude as me? That they cannot guarantee and I believe taking that into consideration, they have decided to let it go on this occasion.

In this event, they have given me the benefit of the doubt due to my lack of experience with forms but have made a note on file I have done this and warned should I ever do it again, it will proceed to disciplinary which I am completely fine by because I know I will never make that same mistake again.

Also, I am not a highly profilic liar. I make mistakes, I repent and I learn from them and take them into experience. I always reflect on my performance which is why I improve faster than others, I love suggestions for improvements, I feel it makes me stronger.

Thanks for wishing me well - I really am on the straight path now. I wish you the very best too.

patman99

I know what its' like to have a bad manager in the firm. I'm glad you survived.your hearing, it's nice when things work-out well in the end.
BTW, I responded t your pm without first reading this post, so please excuse my advice.