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Martins View On Using Mortgage Brokers...

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  • dunstonh wrote: »
    A refund of most or all the fee is the norm when a case doesnt go ahead.



    Its not their responsibility that you instructed people too quickly. You should have waited a week or two longer until the lender had given a yes decision. The UK system is a bit flawed on this basis that you can end up incurring costs if the property doesnt go through. However, thats one of the risks that happens. Has the mortgage adviser been able to get alternative borrowing arranged?

    Hi, thanks for commenting.

    In retrospect, I perhaps did proceed to quickly; however, it was necessary to do so as there was a good probability of being gazumped with cash buyers. Unfortunately, the broker could not arrange alternative borrowing as no further options were available. I am grateful that the broker is willing to refund their fees however
  • As mortgage rates collapse, the proportion that the broker's fee consumes increases. A fee of 0.3% on a loan at 6% equates to a twentieth of the interest charged. As mortage rates approach 3%, the fee is one tenth of the interest earned by the lender.

    With lenders' margins being squeezed it is not surprising that they increasingly turn to direct deals - especially as the number of mortgages being approved has crashed, leaving bank staff more readily able to cope with the smaller number of applicants.

    Those who are finacially illiterate should still use a broker.

    GG
    There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those that don't.
  • GooWorld
    GooWorld Posts: 14 Forumite
    Hi,
    I have worked out that I need approx 10k I have already saved 15k in a very short time. I have roughly 6 weeks to get the dough, which I'm fairly confident I can get, as I'm self-employed and are on target! but just in case I don't make it!:eek:
  • minimike2
    minimike2 Posts: 2,210 Forumite
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    GooWorld wrote: »
    Hi,
    I have worked out that I need approx 10k I have already saved 15k in a very short time. I have roughly 6 weeks to get the dough, which I'm fairly confident I can get, as I'm self-employed and are on target! but just in case I don't make it!:eek:


    Eh??????????
  • payless
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    As mortgage rates collapse, the proportion that the broker's fee consumes increases. A fee of 0.3% on a loan at 6% equates to a twentieth of the interest charged. As mortage rates approach 3%, the fee is one tenth of the interest earned by the lender.

    With lenders' margins being squeezed it is not surprising that they increasingly turn to direct deals - especially as the number of mortgages being approved has crashed, leaving bank staff more readily able to cope with the smaller number of applicants.

    Those who are finacially illiterate should still use a broker.

    GG



    Have you got a Scottish Bond with SCOTTISH FRIENDLY (tax-free with £25 limit)? Be aware that mine has lost £163.84 since July 2008 despite having paid in an additional £200 in premiums. I'm surrendering mine - should you be doing the same?

    GG. did you pay for advice on that Scottish Bond ? RIY on current policy is 4.65%pa

    ...

    I don't think my clients are financially illiterate, but feel I add value to their transaction ( albeit that may involve recommending a direct deal-)

    re the commission as % of case - note many deals are long term so the cost is not an annual cost to lender) ... silly thing is the commission paid, or not paid in direct cases is not the real issue- many of us just want the access to the products, then we could advise and transact in the way we want to ( and pay fees for the required "licences") - although it may be renumerated by fee rather than commission... but hey it might be worth paying that fee, so to avoid buying the mortgage version of a "Scottish Bond" ( which is predomiately purchased direct... they do give £15 M&S vouchers though, so it must be good )
    Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as (financial) advice.
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 119,688 Forumite
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    but hey it might be worth paying that fee, so to avoid buying the mortgage version of a "Scottish Bond" ( which is predomiately purchased direct... they do give £15 M&S vouchers though, so it must be good )
    A bit like Michael Parkinson advertising the over 50s plan. Its a really awful product and you wont find advisers recommending it unless its the very last option available. Yet you see a lot of over 50s buy it because they get a free Parker pen and now they can get a TV as well. Plus Michael Parkinson, June Whitfield or Cilla Black wouldnt sell them anything bad.

    Seeing an IFA in that case would mean the IFA would divert you to a different product which is better value for money. However, the IFA would be paid either by fee or commission. So, avoiding that fee or commission would have resulted in a worse product being bought.

    Just look at the mugs that bought the AXA sun life cashbuilders (or other versions) where the charges were higher and less tax efficient than the advised products. AXA were advertising these up to 10 years after most advisers had stopped recommending them as they had become obsolete.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • koexelek
    koexelek Posts: 7,847 Forumite
    dunstonh wrote: »
    A bit like Michael Parkinson advertising the over 50s plan. Its a really awful product and you wont find advisers recommending it unless its the very last option available. Yet you see a lot of over 50s buy it because they get a free Parker pen and now they can get a TV as well. Plus Michael Parkinson, June Whitfield or Cilla Black wouldnt sell them anything bad.

    .

    you are so right.

    the general public are, unfortunately, more likely to believe some celebrity paid a nice backhander to endorse a product, that a fully qualified IFA who has spent a lifetime in the business :rolleyes:
    I am a Mortgage adviser
    You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a Mortgage Adviser, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.
  • Carol Vorderman has a lot to answer for!

    Todays Countdown Con-undrum is: FLOGMEAPPIWITHTHAT
    I am a Mortgage Consultant and don't like to be told what I can and can't put in a signature so long as it's legal and truthful.
  • Just thought I would add my experience of using a broker vs. not.

    Called London & Country after loads of recommendations from this site. Everyone I spoke to was lovely, but unfortunately it took over 3 hours for someone to call me back. In the meantime I had a look around for myself.

    I needed £160,000 to pay for a £220,000 house, low monthly payments a top priority, so wanted interest free, fixed for 2 years.

    London and Country's best offer (from Abbey): 3.99%, £707 a month repayments.

    Me searching best buy tables and going direct (Natwest): 3.19%, £425 a month repayments.

    The guy I spoke to really was nice, but he couldn't believe the deal I'd found by myself. So definitely look around too!
    Go to the ant, thou sluggard
  • Elainer
    Elainer Posts: 16 Forumite
    Hi all,
    Only read some of this thread so forgive me if im repeating.
    Me and OH want to get a new fixed rate and have had appointment with 'your mortgage decision'. On reading the blurb, it seems that they charge between 3 and 4 % on completion. This seems a lot to me am I right?
    Any comments welcomed
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