Tommorows generation paying for todays mistakes

1echidna

mvengemvenge wrote: »

Yes, I can picture it now, a 68-year-old, disabled Tax Inspector turning up at young Johnny's garage to hassle him about his payments. Young Johnny and his (mostly young) colleagues aren't going to be aggressive, are they, despite their deep anger at having to fund everyone else in the country?

The 68-year-old beat bobby? The 68-year-old parking attendant? No chance of social discord there, is there? :rolleyes:

It's fine to say people have to work till they're old when you're looking at figures on a spread-sheet, but what about when you think about how it will practically work in the real world?

With better diet and medicines a lot of people are fitter now at 65 than they used to be at 55 80 years ago. Also there are far more office jobs than there used to be then. The older worker in the jobs you mention may well make up in guile for what he lacks in brawn.

Mozette

They need to stop banging on about drink & ciggies and let people die young if they want to;)
I'm just doing my bit to avert the pensions crisis...

nearlynew

mvengemvenge wrote: »

Are you related to Pastures New???

:rotfl:

If I was, I'd meet up with her now and again and treat her to a night out and a decent meal.

Poor girl.
Sat at home alone eating grass sandwiches and watching TV all night.

mvengemvenge

nearlynew wrote: »

:rotfl:

If I was, I'd meet up with her now and again and treat her to a night out and a decent meal.

Poor girl.
Sat at home alone eating grass sandwiches and watching TV all night.

Yes, how she types those TV running-commentaries with her tea on her lap is amazing

Gorgeous_George

It's not about making people work longer. It's about delaying paying the pension that you promised them.

Part of my pay deal when I started work for my current employer was a final salary pension. By all means take it away but it is only fair that I am paid 'something' in return. After all, it is not me that got the planning wrong.

GG

olly300

mvengemvenge wrote: »

Yes, I can picture it now, a 68-year-old, disabled Tax Inspector turning up at young Johnny's garage to hassle him about his payments. Young Johnny and his (mostly young) colleagues aren't going to be aggressive, are they, despite their deep anger at having to fund everyone else in the country?


The 68-year-old beat bobby? The 68-year-old parking attendant? No chance of social discord there, is there? :rolleyes:

It's fine to say people have to work till they're old when you're looking at figures on a spread-sheet, but what about when you think about how it will practically work in the real world?

Lots of people in their 60's are very healthy.

A tax inspector has to know how to intimidate people without violence and a lot of them are women, who tend to be phyiscally weaker than your average man. An older person of either sex who is used to dealing with the public would have no problem doing this job.

(I was taught by teachers in their 60's and know a few. They didn't and don't have a problem with discipline.)

Lots of parking attendants walk around in pairs, and again a lot of women work in that job. So as long as the person is fit enough to walk for the required number of hours then there wouldn't be a problem.

A 68 year old policeman/women would more likely be made to work in a job where they dealt with residents, schools and local people i.e community policing. They wouldn't be expected to chase after people. However with what I see with older people exercising those who are fit enough to do the job probably would.

Employers who employ older people realise they don't take sickies unless they are sick, and as they are unlikely to have young children they don't need days off to care for them.

olly300

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

It's not about making people work longer. It's about delaying paying the pension that you promised them.

Then they are just going to have to pay the dole or the equivalent to more people.

Gorgeous_George wrote: »

Part of my pay deal when I started work for my current employer was a final salary pension. By all means take it away but it is only fair that I am paid 'something' in return. After all, it is not me that got the planning wrong.

GG

Lots of young people don't have pensions. Plus due to getting in debt for various things they won't have savings at 60 odd when they are kicked out of jobs, so the government will have to support them.

mvengemvenge

olly300 wrote: »

Lots of people in their 60's are very healthy.

A tax inspector has to know how to intimidate people without violence and a lot of them are women, who tend to be phyiscally weaker than your average man. An older person of either sex who is used to dealing with the public would have no problem doing this job.

(I was taught by teachers in their 60's and know a few. They didn't and don't have a problem with discipline.)

Lots of parking attendants walk around in pairs, and again a lot of women work in that job. So as long as the person is fit enough to walk for the required number of hours then there wouldn't be a problem.

A 68 year old policeman/women would more likely be made to work in a job where they dealt with residents, schools and local people i.e community policing. They wouldn't be expected to chase after people. However with what I see with older people exercising those who are fit enough to do the job probably would.

Employers who employ older people realise they don't take sickies unless they are sick, and as they are unlikely to have young children they don't need days off to care for them.

Yes, I appreciate where you are coming from, and you are right. I just think it won't always be practical, and if there literally aren't enough back-room jobs for people to do, what do we do then?

olly300

mvengemvenge wrote: »

Yes, I appreciate where you are coming from, and you are right. I just think it won't always be practical, and if there literally aren't enough back-room jobs for people to do, what do we do then?

It actually depends on population demographics whether there are enough jobs/people to support those who aren't working.

Also I discovered in my exercise pursuits there are a lot of people in their 50's and 60's who are much fitter than those in their 20's and 30's.

Ok they won't be able to dig a hole in the road but they would be able to do half a day or more on their feet.
In fact I remember watching two programs where they showed people in there late 60's who worked as cleaners and carers. (Not out of choice I should add but because they didn't have enough pension entitlement.)

At the moment the prediction is that there won't be enough working people to support the increased number of elderly and as the economy improves there should be more jobs.

The only thing is that people are suppose to expect to be doing a completely different job when they are 60 compared to when they were 40.

woody01

I am glad that i work for a multi national with a final salary pension (protected).
I would feel very uneasy even now (mid 30's), if i didnt have it.

(Not that it isn't topped up with AVC's aswell though).