Property slump hits Gordon's spending plans

Graham_Devon

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

Erm, so how is your reponse not proving my point about you and others talking about the person and not the issue....? Not sure who is ranting - its not me!

ad9898_3

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

You're studiously ignoring the point of course.

Whether I did or not is open for debate, however what is not open to debate is this is exactly what Brown does every time a straight forward question is put to him.

Rochdale_Pioneers

ad9898 wrote: »

Whether I did or not is open for debate, however what is not open to debate is this is exactly what Brown does every time a straight forward question is put to him.

Perhaps he has been studying your performance on Money Saving Expert forums.

MissMoneypenny

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

I take it that your frothing about property "selling us down the river" was done tongue in cheek?
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No. Gordon's an idiot.

What always surprises me is that this government have screwed their own voters the most, yet some of them still keep voting for Labour

Rochdale_Pioneers

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

No. Gordon's an idiot.

What always surprises me is that this government have screwed their own voters the most, yet some of them still keep voting for Labour

So do you recognise the historical facts about the sale price and subsequent price moves of the privatised utilities in the 1980s or don't you? You mentioned history, yet you seem desperate to ignore this particular bit.

I can absolutely understand debates about policy hear and now. But debating share prices of the 1980s? They are facts, there is no debate. You so many Tories seem blind and deaf to anything that happened in the pre-Brown era. Funny that - you'd think that they were trying to pretend that their own economic catastrophies never happened....

MissMoneypenny

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

The OP complained that Brown was doing something that would sell off government assets for less than they're worth

You seem to be missing my point. Crash Gordon is selling off uk assetts, again, to pay off the debts he built up. None of that saving in the good years for Gordon, just borrowing, borrowing, borrowing.

If he had taken off his socks, he might have realised before that his figures just didn't add up.

JasonLVC

Reading the OP's link/article, it would seem Brown is planning on making sales of property during one of the worst property slumps in decades.

There is a difference between selling at the top and at the bottom of the market. Brown DID sell gold when the price was crashing (and his mass sale panicked the markets further resulting even lower prices), when an investor would have held out and cashed in on the rise.

I cannot recall the Tories selling national assests during a slump?. Yes, they were sold 'on the cheap', but then any motivated seller will set a realistic price to attract enough attention.

There is a difference between a motivated seller and desperate one.

lynzpower

The worst of it as well is that what buildings are being sold off now? There is nothing wrong with the disposal of public property, it is simply always going to happen when laws change and standards improve. You might think it wont fetch much but it will reduce the liability to goernment to the priate sector which is "apparently" whats it all about

( I personally dont agree and DO agree with others that PFI is THE biggest scandal not in the newspapers. )

I work for a company that specialises in the protection of vacant property both commercial & residential, and we do a lot of work on behalf of government in its variety of guises. Examples of why property needs to be disposed of are things like
* new standards in care homes,
*new standards in fire safety, eg how to escape from some buildings in the event of fire *HMO regulation and its impact on hostels and other care environments
*transport policy, for exmaple crossrail who had purchased some property, then plans change so they then have to dispose of it etc.
There are a lot of barracks if news reports are to believed, that are really in need o revamps, yet, i read are being sold to housing associations so the liability can be maanged by thenm instead of local authorities.

Chelsea barracks sold at the right time, im struggling to see whod pay it now.

I totally agree about us having to pay for the leasing arrangements through PFI

Rochdale_Pioneers

JasonLVC wrote: »

I cannot recall the Tories selling national assests during a slump?. Yes, they were sold 'on the cheap', but then any motivated seller will set a realistic price to attract enough attention.

There is a difference between a motivated seller and desperate one.

Not in the price they realise. Thanks for being the first respondant to actually recognise the facts of the 80's privatisations - most posters think that on the 8th day God created Gordon Brown and made him Prime Minister, and it was Bad.....

purch

Oh thats right - Tory good Labour bad.....

Yes the Conservative governments from 79 to 97 sold huge chunks of the nations infrastructure, housing stock etc etc.

Using that fact to deflect all criticism of the current regime is ludicrous.

As a voter in a democratic nation, you should be allowed to have a say about the current Government, irrespective of what previous regimes might have done.

You can't criticise Brown, cos Thatcher did it too.

You can't criticise Stalin, cos Lenin did it too.