Recruitment processes

starsky365

Ive just heard about the following recruitment stages for a job

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1. Telephone interview
2. online pschometric\vebal reasoning\numerical skills tests
3. Face to face interview with low level HR
4. face to face final interview and presentation

this was for a £13k year basic job!!!!!!!!!

Are we starting to see HR staff justifying their jobs?

I spoke to a recruiter who said he doubted whether one of his clients actually had a vacancy as they have been advertising it for 9 months and he has sent 30/40 'perfect' applicants for it and they have all failed for stupid reasons such as the suit the candidate was wearing was not liked.

And another thing...............Recruitment agencies specialising in recruitment staff??????......there are no jobs its just a big pyramid of recruiting each other and job creation.

Ive seen entry level sales jobs asking for people with doctorates!!!!!!

Rant over.....any thoughts?

bigspender1971

Totally agree with you, It's bordering on the ridiculous

chris2289

great post its exactly what i was thinking!

I had to do some ridiculous things when i was a graduate, make bridges out of blocks, endless iq and maths tests etc.

I think its a part of the fact that it is an employers market at the moment and they think they can make people jump through as many hoops as possible. I was rejected from a 18k a year job in london recently because they wanted someone who has at least 4 year experience. I responded with do you think anyone who has 4 years experience will work for 18k in london!

Hopefully they will wake up soon and realize!

PlutoinCapricorn

Starsky, this is ridiculous. Everything is being devalued. I have seen an advertisement that required "excellent communication skills", and it was for a job moving goods around in a warehouse! What does this leave for jobs such as marketing where people really do need to be good communicators - excellence really applies to diplomatic staff I think.

Emmzi

starsky365 wrote: »

Ive just heard about the following recruitment stages for a job

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1. Telephone interview
2. online pschometric\vebal reasoning\numerical skills tests
3. Face to face interview with low level HR
4. face to face final interview and presentation

this was for a £13k year basic job!!!!!!!!!

from a managers perspective - it's not about the 13k a year you cost. it's the money it costs to have me see you. and induct you. and make your security cards and name badges and take you through all the legislative stuff you need like health and safety training and a VDU assessment. And specialist equipment you may need if you have a disability. and then have to start again if you don't work out. and then the ET you take me to because you claim to have been discriminated against to try and get me to cough up money you don't deserve.

so yes, I'll take my time finding the right person and do a bit of hoop jumping to see if I get a motivated person for the job. Me/ my staff are putting in as much time as the candidiate to try and get a good match.

not you personally obviously. but you get the idea.

Wakey2008

Those pschometric tests annoy me as, in my opinion they are pointless and prove nothing. Thankfully I've not had do one for a few years.

Wakey2008

Emmzi wrote: »

from a managers perspective - it's not about the 13k a year you cost. it's the money it costs to have me see you. and induct you. and make your security cards and name badges and take you through all the legislative stuff you need like health and safety training and a VDU assessment. And specialist equipment you may need if you have a disability. and then have to start again if you don't work out. and then the ET you take me to because you claim to have been discriminated against to try and get me to cough up money you don't deserve.

so yes, I'll take my time finding the right person and do a bit of hoop jumping to see if I get a motivated person for the job. Me/ my staff are putting in as much time as the candidiate to try and get a good match.

not you personally obviously. but you get the idea.

Oh come on.

You know as well as anyone on here that those hoops are just bureaucratic bulls**t dreamed up by HR departments with nothing better to do.

Often the interviewer is as fed up with the process as the candidate but they are under orders to put these hurdles in place by the idiots above them that probably wouldn't pass the tests themselves if it came down to it.

Emmzi

Wakey2008 wrote: »

Oh come on.

You know as well as anyone on here that those hoops are just bureaucratic bulls**t dreamed up by HR departments with nothing better to do.

Often the interviewer is as fed up with the process as the candidate but they are under orders to put these hurdles in place by the idiots above them that probably wouldn't pass the tests themselves if it came down to it.

You are entitled to your opinion. I would suggest its academic research by occupational psychologists doing "real" scientific studies that comes up with the methodologies. But, hey, ignore the universities and assume they're plucked out of people's backsides if it makes you feel better.

I've seen a lot of bad hires cause a lot of grief over the years. Prevention is better than cure.

If you don't like the system., don't play it, go self employed where you may be as maverick as you wish.

Over the years most recruitment techniques have refined to where they usually tell you something useful (eg no handwriting analysis any more!!)

By the way most HR departments have had large staff reductions as well as everywhere else. Not sure where the 'spare time' is coming from.

bristol_pilot

Psychometric testing is the 'handwriting analysis' of today.

Wakey2008

Emmzi wrote: »

You are entitled to your opinion. I would suggest its academic research by occupational psychologists doing "real" scientific studies that comes up with the methodologies. But, hey, ignore the universities and assume they're plucked out of people's backsides if it makes you feel better.

I've seen a lot of bad hires cause a lot of grief over the years. Prevention is better than cure.

If you don't like the system., don't play it, go self employed where you may be as maverick as you wish.

Over the years most recruitment techniques have refined to where they usually tell you something useful (eg no handwriting analysis any more!!)

By the way most HR departments have had large staff reductions as well as everywhere else. Not sure where the 'spare time' is coming from.

I have a steady job in a qualified position so it's nothing I have to worry about.

Please don't assume that university profs have any clue about hiring people because when I did my degree most of them knew very little about the real world.

The wrong people can pass those tests and get jobs by knowing how to play the game as well you know. With that being the case, it renders the whole thing pointless.

The best way to recruit is by solely matching skills against requirements and making a judgement.

Emmzi

bristol_pilot wrote: »

Psychometric testing is the 'handwriting analysis' of today.

Sweeping Generalisation Alert!!!!

There's more than one kind.

They are useful for different things.

They are not useful when you pick the wrong one to measure something.

The are not useful when you pick one with a flash sales brochure but no substance.

But they can help you spot when a type of job would make someone happy, or miserable as hell.

So no, not always good. But not always bad either. Never that simple!