payment from nhs for diet class

nickyhutch

I didn't say it wasn't a problem. I said it wasn't something "wrong" with a persn in the sense that retrocircles meant "wrong".

Please try to stop being quite so patronising.

Emmzi

nickyhutch wrote: »

I didn't say it wasn't a problem. I said it wasn't something "wrong" with a persn in the sense that retrocircles meant "wrong".

Please try to stop being quite so patronising.

what did retrocircles mean by wrong, then?

nickyhutch

I took it to mean a medical condition that meant a person would gain weight easily or find it difficult to lose weight.

dmg24

nickyhutch wrote: »

I didn't say it wasn't a problem. I said it wasn't something "wrong" with a persn in the sense that retrocircles meant "wrong".

Please try to stop being quite so patronising.

POT KETTLE BLACK

nickyhutch

Where have I been partonising? I'm only answering Ted in the manner he speaks to me.

Ted_Hutchinson

nickyhutch wrote: »

I didn't say it wasn't a problem. I said it wasn't something "wrong" with a persn in the sense that retrocircles meant "wrong".

Please try to stop being quite so patronising.

Perhaps carbohydrate addiction was not the "something Wrong" that retrocircles was referring to. There may be other reasons why retrocircles was accumulating excess weight while progressively eating less. But it is a cause of obesity that requires medical attention.
If you read Taubes Book or watched his video lectures you would have seen some dramatic photos of people with Lipodystrophy who can have part of their body obese while other parts are at the same time showing signs of starvation.
The idea that there is nothing "Wrong" with these people is absurd.

RichOneday_2

Ted_Hutchinson wrote: »

Because only someone unaware of the science behind fat accumulation would make such an inane remark.
Exercising more is not a way to lose weight, If it is then the studies involving increased exercise reduces weight would be many and it will be easy for you to prove your point. In fact the studies that have been done with schoolkids proves that doubling the amount of exercise they do has little or no impact on weight loss. Does Exercise Really Make Us Thinner? -- New York Magazine
Similarly if you had spent time listening to his Berkely lecture you would understand more about what causes fat accumulation and this would help you understand how best to lose weight.

However the point I wanted to make is that obesity is a medical condition because each adipose tissue cell when it becomes enlarged gives off more pro inflammatory cytokines. Why does this matter. Well Vitamin D3 our body's main anti inflammatory agent is fat soluble. When people are gaining weight the circulating fatty acids that get absorbed into fat cells are the same ones that are carrying the 25(OH)D round the body. This means that as people get fatter they become Vitamin D deficient. The problem is particularly so in those who consume wheat and grains as these shorten the half life of 25(OH)D making carbohydrate eaters more prone to vitamin D deficiency. The lower vitamin D status is compensated for by an increase in Parathryoid hormone and this upregulates Calcitriol (that's made from 25(OH)d) therefore causing a viscous spiral of accelerating the demand for vitamin D while reducing the supply. This explains why obesity is associated with metabolic syndrome which precedes diabetes, stroke, alzheimers heart disease etc.

While you probably won't get the science behind your weight accumulation explained at your weight loss class it is useful to know. It's quite easy to get your 25(OH)D checked and cheap to correct 25(OH)D status (discount code in referrers board) and that then enables a low carbohydrate way of eating to succeed more easily because you have taken the inflammatory process out of the equation.

An inane remark?:rotfl:

If that is the best you can do in terms of providing scientific evidence indicating that exercise levels don't lead to weight loss then you've shot your own argument in the foot! The article you have referenced managed to find a study that was 'inconclusive'. And thats the best you've found to support your assertion?

Your claim that 'obesity' is a medical condition needs to be explained. Firstly 'obesity' is merely a label triggered by an arbitary number on the BMI scale, which labels some very fit people, who certainly dont have a medical condition, as obese. Obesity isn't even a measure of fat levels, it is a measure of weight relative to height. From your point of view having lots of lean muscle mass would mean you had a medical condition!

Although your explanation of fat accumulation is no doubt fascinating to some, how does an explanation of how fat accumulates somehow support your assertion that increased exercise doesn't lead to weight loss?

It looks like you just wanted to throw a bit of unrelated science in there for some reason that didn't follow any logic!

the_devil_made_me_do_it

I haven't even bothered reading all of the posts on this thread because to be quite frank I can't believe what I'm reading :eek: say no more.

Ted_Hutchinson

RichOneday wrote: »

An inane remark?:rotfl:

But accurate as your failure to listen to the Taubes talk clearly shows. It's worth the hour spent and may prevent you making such a fool of yourself.
When you're in a hole it's best to stop digging.

Bronnie

retrocircles wrote: »

Just like smokers can surely afford all the patches, sticks etc to quit smoking? How long have the NHS been footing the bill for that?

At the end of the day it's a health condition/problem, therefore the NHS will foot the bill!

The thread originally referred to the NHS paying fees for slimming clubs.

I have NEVER said the NHS should not have funding to offer support and advice to people who needed to lose weight. I HAVE suggested that the NHS paying the fees for people to attend commercial Slimming Clubs, may not be the best use of NHS resources in this instance. In particular with reference to the question of how successful they are in aiding long-term weight management.

We do not expect that the NHS foots the bill for all our health requirements, physical or psychological. Many people with serious health issues pay towards the cost of their medication through prescription charge. We also pay for charges for treatments, preventative and otherwise for oral and optical health and so on.