The Hospital - on channel 4 at the moment!

mapcr77

thatsfabulous wrote: »

I know I couldnt believe it when she said that. Wasnt she the lady that died for 9 minutes and was given the overdose? Or am i confusing her with another patient.

Indeed that was her... unbelievable, isn't it?

thatsfabulous

wow shocking. I hope that when she watched it on the program she relised how much she went through and how silly she sounded saying it only cost £20 etc.

Sagaris

The powers that be wouldn't be able to charge them the cost of the treatment unfortunately - and even if the law changed you can bet your life they are all on benefits!

funguy

Sagaris wrote: »

The powers that be wouldn't be able to charge them the cost of the treatment unfortunately - and even if the law changed you can bet your life they are all on benefits!

Yes im sure most of them are! Why do other countries not have these problems? Other countries do not have huge mortality rates because people need to pay for medical care and paramedics will bill you if you are not a genuine emergency!

mapcr77

funguy wrote: »

Yes im sure most of them are! Why do other countries not have these problems? Other countries do not have huge mortality rates because people need to pay for medical care and paramedics will bill you if you are not a genuine emergency!

Maybe we need to revise the welfare system in this country, and turn it into a matter of merit, rather than a lyfestyle choice.

Loopy_Girl

Have to say that I thought the some of the nurse's comments were inappropriate (the one who done most of the talking bits and also saw her at work).

Who is she to judge why a 19 year old hasn't eaten and is on anti-depressants?

I work for the NHS and the one thing we are always told is not to judge - you can try to educate but the way people live their lives shouldn't be up for discussion.

Why should a smoker, for example, be tut tutted for having a chest infection anymore than a person who does extreme sports and comes in fairly regularly with broken/sprained bits? Still a lifestyle choice.

She was absolutely spot on by saying the the way society lives now is a generation thing and has been, and will be, passed on from generation to generation. But that can't be changed.

Quite frankly I think she has been in the job too long and has forgotton her beside manner and is too concerned on passing judgement on the sub classes of society. I hope that some of the people she drily passed comment about on camera complain. I know I sure as hell would.

teaspoon1

Loopy Girl - I actually thought she was voicing the thoughts of a lot of NHS staff... I know a few docs and nurses and they are so fed up and demoralised by the lunatic behaviour of some patients, esp those who have been drinking and/or fighting. It's about time someone spoke up about it. It's not right, it's not fair and it's depriving others of vital resources. Just think what could be done if hospitals didn't have to treat violent drunks every weekend. And what is a 19-year-old doing on anti depressants! Seriously.

arunadasi

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

I work for the NHS and the one thing we are always told is not to judge - you can try to educate but the way people live their lives shouldn't be up for discussion.

Why should a smoker, for example, be tut tutted for having a chest infection anymore than a person who does extreme sports and comes in fairly regularly with broken/sprained bits? Still a lifestyle choice.

She was absolutely spot on by saying the the way society lives now is a generation thing and has been, and will be, passed on from generation to generation. But that can't be changed.

Quite frankly I think she has been in the job too long and has forgotton her beside manner and is too concerned on passing judgement on the sub classes of society. I hope that some of the people she drily passed comment about on camera complain. I know I sure as hell would.

While I agree that medical staff shouldn't judge their patients, I do believe that the general society actually needs to be judging MORE rather than less . We've come to regard all behaviours as equal in value: we should not judge smokers, they have as much right to smoke as the athkete; promiscuity as a lifestyle choice is just the same as fidelity, etc etc etc. All opinions, too supposed to be of equal value, nobody is "righter" than anyone else... there is no wisdom anywhere, not even common sense.

It's a mistake. A grave mistake. There has to be a gold standard in lifestyle choices otherwise all of society goes haywire. As we can see.

Societies that DO have a gold standard don't have these problems.
Freedom is not the same as licence.

I may be terribly non-PC in saying that but I dont care because I am 58 and don;t give a fig for PC-speak:p

melancholly

i remembre a Jack Dee sketch from years ago, where at the entrance to A&E you should have to say what your injury was and then it would be rated on a stupidly scale (or something along those lines). people would be treated based on this stupidity (he tells it much better!). obviously not a practical solution, but it does rather sum up how lots of us feel about stupid behaviour and the health service.....

VfM4meplse

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

Quite frankly I think she has been in the job too long and has forgotton her beside manner and is too concerned on passing judgement on the sub classes of society.

Sub-classes? Is that not a judgement??