Gordon Ramsays magic touch !

Conrad

ninky - a challenge for you. Tune into Quest FM or Unknown FM tonight and you will get a glimpse of the other halve of UK society. The DJ commentary will go something like this - "check it London Town, check this !!!!!!, and a big shout out to Chantel and de Ilford bytches"

StevieJ

Zagu wrote: »

That's a disingenuous argument. People do want tat, and to recognise that does not mean that you are "some miraculous intellectual elite with superior powers to the ignorant masses", or anything anywhere near being so conceited.

Look at the viewing figures for the soaps. Are you suggesting that they are not tat? What about the redtops? I think the point you are missing is that, while people enjoy those type of entertainment, most know that what they enjoy actually is tat. Just because you don't enjoy the same tat, doesn't necessarily mean that you are of "intellectual elite with superior powers".

Hey Corrie is great, and has been so for years:cool: And why have they stopped making Heartbeat, used to love that

ninky_2

bendix wrote: »

We could give tests to the entire country and those who failed to get a certain score could be kept aside somewhere - maybe relocated to Wales, for example.

already spotted a flaw. all the middle classes would pay for expensive home tutoring to make sure their offspring didn't end up in wales (now known as dimsville). if that failed they'd claim dyslexia.

someone also once said they agreed with brits emigrating to oz because it raised the IQ of both countries. but i'm far too much of a hippy to find that at all amusing.

ninky_2

Conrad wrote: »

I really know them, and it's one of life's great mysteries as to why some middle class idealists do not seem to engage with this other world - seriously this really is a mystery to me.

I'm genuinely interested to know how you avoid these interactions?

while i am not immune to prejudice i do try to fight it and take people as they come. i try to look through the vocabulary that people use to the ideas behind what they are saying. often you can find the office cleaner has more philosophical depth and insight than the company manager.

cultural capital can be a great disguiser of real intelligence or imaginative power.

i'm not saying there's a socrates or aristotle in every kfc. just that you are no less likely to find them there than in a national trust home.

Zagu

Conrad wrote: »

ninky - a challenge for you. Tune into Quest FM or Unknown FM tonight and you will get a glimpse of the other halve of UK society.

:rotfl:

Wonderfully ironic.

bendix

ninky wrote: »

already spotted a flaw. all the middle classes would pay for expensive home tutoring to make sure their offspring didn't end up in wales (now known as dimsville). if that failed they'd claim dyslexia.

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You see, this is where your middle class hippy liberal waffling lets you down. We in the real world know dyslexia doesn't exist. It was invented by Social Services in the 1980s to explain stupidity, rather like ME was invented around the same time to explain laziness. And, of course, ADHD which we used to call 'being a naughty little b*****d").

So under our Intellectual Apartheid we would do away with such institutional crutches and even if the middle class parents used these reasons to appeal, there would be no saving them - off to Wales on the next coach.

The great thing about this IA model is that it's classless. Working class people like me can stay in England, providing their library includes at least 15 Penguin Classics and they know that Marc Chagall is an artist and not David Beckham's favourite fashion label. And the stupid chattering middle classes who's dinner parties centred around Polish nannies and property values - off to Wales too.

ninky_2

bendix wrote: »

Working class people like me can stay in England, providing their library includes at least 15 Penguin Classics and they know that Marc Chagall is an artist and not David Beckham's favourite fashion label. And the stupid chattering middle classes who's dinner parties centred around Polish nannies and property values - off to Wales too.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

i thought you were "head of marketing at a large corporate law firm"!?

meritocracy. we all think we want it. but would we like to live in it?

bendix

ninky wrote: »

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

i thought you were "head of marketing at a large corporate law firm"!?

meritocracy. we all think we want it. but would we like to live in it?

You see, you middle classes think you have a monopoly on the good jobs. The world has changed outside of Richmond and Wimbledon, ninky.

Yeah . .I'm working class. Born and bred. Council estate childhood and comprehensive school. Luckily, being from a one parent family where my dad was unemployed for a decade in the 1980s, I got a full grant for university.

So what's your point? Do you think the working class wear cloth caps and are only suited to having cleaning jobs at the BBC or at law firms?

Sigh . that's the thing with you middle class liberals. Your world is so one-dimensiona whereas coming from the working class but moving in different circles, we have so much more perspective.

;-)

StevieJ

ninky wrote: »

already spotted a flaw. all the middle classes would pay for expensive home tutoring to make sure their offspring didn't end up in wales (now known as dimsville). if that failed they'd claim dyslexia.

someone also once said they agreed with brits emigrating to oz because it raised the IQ of both countries. but i'm far too much of a hippy to find that at all amusing.

Gen will not like that :eek:

ninky_2

bendix wrote: »

Do you think the working class wear cloth caps and are only suited to having cleaning jobs at the BBC or at law firms?

then what exactly makes me middle class since my parents too were eligible for council housing, i went to comprehensive, got free school meals and university grant?

i'll take your single parent family and give you my immigrant background.

now, who's got the best mockney accent?