Vitamins - Can they really work

lynseydee

My husband doesn't do fruit or veg so I try to eat as much as I can (at least 2 pieces of fruit for lunch Monday to Friday and veg sometimes when I do a roast dinner which isn't often).

I thought that maybe I should take vitamins to build up on what I'm not getting by eating the "5 portions a day" or those vitamins that contain all the vitamins you need.

Would this help or would I be wasting my money?

Ted_Hutchinson

lynseydee wrote: »

My husband doesn't do fruit or veg so I try to eat as much as I can (at least 2 pieces of fruit for lunch Monday to Friday and veg sometimes when I do a roast dinner which isn't often).

I thought that maybe I should take vitamins to build up on what I'm not getting by eating the "5 portions a day" or those vitamins that contain all the vitamins you need.

Would this help or would I be wasting my money?

I think generally the multivitamin/mineral tablets are a waste of money. Your body needs NATURAL and NOT SYNTHETIC vitamins and minerals and there is a whole host of research on synthetic vitamins that shows they are worse than useless and most mutlivitamin mineral tablets contain the synthetic or least biologically available forms. So I DON'T take a multivitamin/mineral.

IMO there is far more evidence supporting the use of veggies (spinach, broccoli, cauli, sprouts, chard, greens, carrots, peppers, courgettes, avocados, onions, garlic )

But that is NOT to say I don't take vitamins/minerals. I do.

I take 5000iu/daily/vitamin D3. because we know that on average UK adults have less than a third of the amount of vitamin d that our bodies evolved to work best with.
Similarly it is clear that throughout our evolution we enjoyed higher levels of omega 3 and magnesium so I take 1.5g omega 3 (that's the total of the EPA+DHA) and 600mg of magnesium.
Anyone concerned about low vitamin C intake may want to take a TIME RELEASE 500mg vit c tablet every 8hrs because we know the half life of vit c is measured in minutes so however much vit c you take in 30mins half of it has depleted and it continues depleting by 50% every 30mins so only times/slow release forms are worth taking (or natural slow release forms in totally unprocessed fruit/veg. that means not liquidized nor peeled nor in a smoothy)

Nicki

Why can't you just eat veg with your meals even though your husband chooses not to? It takes no effort at all to throw together a fresh green salad for example which goes with most evening meals, or to boil a couple of portions of frozen veg for one person, or to use a bag of preprepared vegetables as crudites with a dip.

Leaving aside the vitamins in fruit and vegetables, your body also needs the natural fibres they contain, which can't be replicated by a pill. Most other forms of fibre you may be getting in your diet, through for example wholemeal bread or breakfast cereals, will be through processed foods, which are not ideal as your sole source.

Ted_Hutchinson

Nicki wrote: »

Why can't you just eat veg with your meals even though your husband chooses not to? .

No one can consume the amount of vitamin d our body's require from food sources. It simply isn't possible to consume 5000iu/daily Vitamin D3 from food sources.

Either you lay naked at noon for 20~30 minutes or you need to take 5000iu/d vitamin D3. Anyone who thinks otherwise is vitamin D3 deficient.

Whats a Vitamin D Deficiency?

Nicki

:rolleyes: Silly me for reading the first post to mean that the OP was interested in the benefits of eating fruit and vegetables as opposed to taking a vitamin supplement.

Clearly, she was speaking only about Vitamin D, which as we all know (:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ) is the cure for all ills known to man.

Ted_Hutchinson

Nicki wrote: »

:rolleyes: Silly me for reading the first post to mean that the OP was interested in the benefits of eating fruit and vegetables as opposed to taking a vitamin supplement.

It is therefore entirely appropriate that information concerning those nutrients that are NOT present in fruit and vegetable in appropriate amounts is therefore made available.

Clearly, she was speaking only about Vitamin D, which as we all know is the cure for all ills known to man.

Perhaps you can provide a link to the posts in which I have referred to the use of vitamin D to cure any complaint. Supplementing with Vitamin D3 to cure Vitamin D deficiency will though enable every cell in your body to work as it evolved to function.

We are all aware of what out bodies evolved wearing Kitavan native
and we know the 25(OH)D status that produces vitamin d naturally in human breast milk.

If we are going to accept that laying naked at noon from March to October for 20~30minutes is not going to be practiced by everyone reading this thread, then supplying vitamin D3 at the level need to achieve the same natural status will enable every cell in your body to function as it evolved.

Those who have had their 25(OH)D tested for £20 will be aware how much D3 their body requires to achieve the status associated with least chronic disease incidence.

The point is that Vitamin d deficiency by that I mean and level below 50ng 125nmol/l the level above which the hormone Calcitriol stops being limited by lack of substrate, is present in virtually every UK adult so correcting that insufficiency state first, leads to the greatest improvement in health generally.

Have you watched all the video's here.?

Have you downloaded the slides and gone through them one by one so you really understand what is being said?

Dr Cannell on vitamin d

grastgirl

OP, I think fruit and vegetables are always going to be the best source for vitamins (and fibre), so you should try to eat them as much as possible, even if your OH doesn't like them. Although the government recommendation is for 5 a day, most nutritionists would want it to be closer to 9! Now I know this and still struggle for five sometimes, and I'm not about to keel over, so don't worry yourself unnecessarily.

Does your OH not eat any fruit or veg? No juice, dried fruit etc? I think it's important that you both eat them, so maybe you could try to hide vegetables in sauces, for instance I add finely grated carrot to my bolognese sauce and once it's cooked you hardly notice it's there, this could also apply to onions, courgettes etc. If this isn't an option you need to eat your portions anyway as Nicki says and perhaps give him the vitamin supplement, a general multivitamin with no more than the RDA, so there's no way he can be having too much.

HelenYorkshire

I would say that some extra vitamins and minerals - be they synthetic or natural - are better than none
There are reasonably cheap ones e.g. Boots or Superdrug own brand so I'd give those a go. Who knows, you / he may feel better - maybe that would convince him of the benefits of veg....

Ted_Hutchinson

grastgirl wrote: »

OP, I think fruit and vegetables are always going to be the best source for vitamins (and fibre),

While I agree that ABOVE the ground vegetables will always have been an important part of the human diet, I'm not convinced that regular fructose consumption, particularly of the very sweet fruits we now have available, is particularly healthy.

If you read Dr Briffa's latest blog you will be aware that those consuming the most
fibre had the highest colon cancer incidence. One of the reasons for this is a high fibre diet reduces the availability of 25(OH)D which as everyone here will know is the form Vitamin D circulates in your blood.

High vitamin d status is associated with low colon cancer incidence and low vitamin D status is associated with higher colon cancer incidence.
So you can see how a high fibre diet by reducing vitamin D status increases the incidence of colon cancer.

Lung cancer is the first then the combined Breast/Prostate cancers then colon cancer so it's a major cancer as far as mortality is concerned. It's a myth that high fibre diets are healthy.

lostinrates

grastgirl wrote: »

OP, I think fruit and vegetables are always going to be the best source for vitamins (and fibre), so you should try to eat them as much as possible, even if your OH doesn't like them. Although the government recommendation is for 5 a day, most nutritionists would want it to be closer to 9! Now I know this and still struggle for five sometimes, and I'm not about to keel over, so don't worry yourself unnecessarily.

Does your OH not eat any fruit or veg? No juice, dried fruit etc? I think it's important that you both eat them, so maybe you could try to hide vegetables in sauces, for instance I add finely grated carrot to my bolognese sauce and once it's cooked you hardly notice it's there, this could also apply to onions, courgettes etc. If this isn't an option you need to eat your portions anyway as Nicki says and perhaps give him the vitamin supplement, a general multivitamin with no more than the RDA, so there's no way he can be having too much.

Further to this, when feeding fussy kids I used to put carrots, celery and onion in the magimix and then into pretty much everything. Nothing they thought was vegetable free actually was :rotfl:.

tara747

Ted_Hutchinson wrote: »

While I agree that ABOVE the ground vegetables will always have been an important part of the human diet, I'm not convinced that regular fructose consumption, particularly of the very sweet fruits we now have available, is particularly healthy.

If you read Dr Briffa's latest blog you will be aware that those consuming the most
fibre had the highest colon cancer incidence. One of the reasons for this is a high fibre diet reduces the availability of 25(OH)D which as everyone here will know is the form Vitamin D circulates in your blood.

High vitamin d status is associated with low colon cancer incidence and low vitamin D status is associated with higher colon cancer incidence.
So you can see how a high fibre diet by reducing vitamin D status increases the incidence of colon cancer.

Lung cancer is the first then the combined Breast/Prostate cancers then colon cancer so it's a major cancer as far as mortality is concerned. It's a myth that high fibre diets are healthy.

Er, what?????

So what diet is healthy in your opinion?