Jacqui Smith?

A._Badger

shuze wrote: »

Re: on-topic: you raised it.

I gather from your first sentence that you haven't found an example of a government being elected by a majority of the electorate?

Which particular form of PR are you proposing?

The "West Lothian question" - I'd be fascinated to hear you spin that into Scotland being a fiefdom.

Not a lot of point debating with someone whose sole line of argument is the straw man. Times must be hard at Labour HQ.

shuze

A._Badger wrote: »

Not a lot of point debating with someone whose sole line of argument is the straw man. Times must be hard at Labour HQ.

I see we've exhausted your capacity for rational debate.

Never mind, have fun completing your thesis on Scottish fiefdoms - The West Lothian factor".

shuze

A._Badger wrote: »

Times must be hard at Labour HQ.

Oh, by the way, how are things at Conservative HQ?

leveller2911

shuze wrote: »

Who else CAN make the rules? You? The Daily Mail? The "angry mob"?

At the very least we should be able to expect our "leaders" to lead by example,If you ask the everyday,working class man/woman what they think of MP,s ,ministers and Lords they are seen as being one rung up on the ladder from Paedophiles.
The "rules" should be made and quite rightly so by the men and women that we the electorate vote in, when we have the political elite so far distanced from the masses, history has shown that civil rest and at its extreme revolution .
You might not like the possible extreme nature of my post but I believe it can and more than likely will happen and what better trigger for this is a economic depression.Look back in History, Rome,english civil war,1st world war and 2nd world war.
I don't think there is a better way to have government than democracy but ours, which is looked on as being the best in the world is sadly flawed and getting worse.Make no bones about it we are going to have civil unrest if we carry on losing trust.

shuze

leveller2911 wrote: »

At the very least we should be able to expect our "leaders" to lead by example,If you ask the everyday,working class man/woman what they think of MP,s ,ministers and Lords they are seen as being one rung up on the ladder from Paedophiles.
The "rules" should be made and quite rightly so by the men and women that we the electorate vote in, when we have the political elite so far distanced from the masses, history has shown that civil rest and at its extreme revolution .
You might not like the possible extreme nature of my post but I believe it can and more than likely will happen and what better trigger for this is a economic depression.Look back in History, Rome,english civil war,1st world war and 2nd world war.
I don't think there is a better way to have government than democracy but ours, which is looked on as being the best in the world is sadly flawed and getting worse.Make no bones about it we are going to have civil unrest if we carry on losing trust.

How refreshing to read a reasoned post. I agree with much of what you say, especially the risk to our form of democracy arising from the dimishing trust of the electorate.

I don't think I'd welcome a revolution however. I think that the solution is a wholesale overhaul of our voting system, parliament and press.

I'm especially suspicious of those people who lazily attack one political party when they are in power, only to defend their own "tribe" for exactly the same misdemeanours. That gets us nowhere.

leveller2911

I couldn't agree more Shuze, trouble is "turkeys don't vote for Christmas".

I wouldn't want revolution along with the probable bloodshed, but my fear is its the only thing that will wake the political elite (use the term loosely)up.

leveller2911

leveller2911 wrote: »

I couldn't agree more Shuze, trouble is "turkeys don't vote for Christmas".

I wouldn't want revolution along with the probable bloodshed, but my fear is its the only thing that will wake the political elite (use the term loosely)up.

ps. I don't have any preferance for any political party.

pickles110564

shuze wrote: »

..which isn't going to happen.

They had better not tax my pork scratchings

shuze

leveller2911 wrote: »

ps. I don't have any preferance for any political party.

Good for you, me neither - I've never voted for any of them (though I can't seem to convince some people on this forum!)

pickles110564

shuze wrote: »

Good for you, me neither - I've never voted for any of them (though I can't seem to convince some people on this forum!)

Dont panic as soon as you hit 18 you can vote for them.