proof of nationality request

Debt_Free_Chick

Crown copyright also applies to Registrar's certificates i.e. birth, marrriage and death certificates.

zkw29

fengirl wrote: »

The British Passport (the Passport) is subject to Crown copyright protection under section 163 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988. This means that it may not lawfully be reproduced without the prior permission of the Controller of HMSO, an official who as Queen's Printer and Queen's Printer for Scotland manages Crown copyright on behalf of Her Majesty under the terms of Letters Patent. HMSO's Licensing Division administers Crown copyright on behalf of the Controller.

Definition of copying

4. For the purposes of this guidance, the term copying includes:

• photocopying;
• scanning;
• filming;
• reproduction in any other medium, including the placing of material on the Internet.

BMW own the copyright for their cars. If someone takes a photo of a BMW and stores it in a file (to be able to prove in the future that they saw the real thing) that wouldn't be a breach of copyright would it? Does the same not apply to passports?

Surely as long as they aren't reproducing passports or using them for commercial benefit they can keep a copy of it?

Update:

The Identity and Passport Service advises organisations who wish to retain a reproduction of the personal details in the passport that they should obtain the consent of the individual to do so. They also advise organisations to retain a record of the consent and to store the passport details securely.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/advice/crown-copyright/copyright-guidance/reproduction-of-the-british-passport

So it looks like they can legally copy a passport as long as they have the passport holders permission.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

zkw29 wrote: »

BMW own the copyright for their cars. If someone takes a photo of a BMW and stores it in a file (to be able to prove in the future that they saw the real thing) that wouldn't be a breach of copyright would it? Does the same not apply to passports?

Surely as long as they aren't reproducing passports or using them for commercial benefit they can keep a copy of it?

Update:

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/advice/crown-copyright/copyright-guidance/reproduction-of-the-british-passport

So it looks like they can legally copy a passport as long as they have the passport holders permission.

Yep, they can & they do...

& so long as there is a lock on the filing cabinet & its locked while unattended it is legally fine..

Debt_Free_Chick

I don't believe that you can photocopy a passport. The first part of the guidance refers to the cover only - this is no means of ID as it simply has the coat of arms and title on it.

The second part (part 8) is, however, confusingly worded. Firstly, it talks about "recording information" and I interpret this to mean making a note of the name and p/p number as evidence that you have seen the p/p. But it then mentions "reproduction" which one could infer means a copy as "to copy" is to reproduce. However, I believe that reproduction means to copy the details in the sense that you write them down.

Copying contravenes the copyright act and the person in possession is in contravention of the act.

Just MHO

zkw29

Debt_Free_Chick wrote: »

Copying contravenes the copyright act and the person in possession is in contravention of the act.

From the Identity and Passport Service website:

Before you leave, make sure that:
...
you have made a photocopy of your passport details page (usually inside the back cover) and left it with a friend

http://www.ips.gov.uk/passport/travel-tips.asp

Debt_Free_Chick

zkw29 wrote: »

From the Identity and Passport Service website

Before you leave, make sure that:
...
you have made a photocopy of your passport details page (usually inside the back cover) and left it with a friend

From the Identity and Passport Service website:
http://www.ips.gov.uk/passport/travel-tips.asp

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

You couldn't make it up, could you?

liney

Immigration told us Scanning Visas was the most effective way to store them, so i'm going with "it's ok".

Andy_L

http://www.hmso.gov.uk/copyright/guidance/gn_20(old%20format).htm

"6. Photocopies of the personal details page of the Passport may be made, for the purposes of record keeping only, by the following persons:

• the holder/owner of the Passport;
• notaries, solicitors, banks and government departments;
• a person or institution subject to the requirements of the Money Laundering Regulations, or a person certifying that identification checks required under these Regulations have taken place."

So it looks like an employer/agency shouldn't copy it but just look at it and make a note its been checked

1984ReturnsForReal_2

Andy_L wrote: »

http://www.hmso.gov.uk/copyright/guidance/gn_20(old%20format).htm

"6. Photocopies of the personal details page of the Passport may be made, for the purposes of record keeping only, by the following persons:

• the holder/owner of the Passport;
• notaries, solicitors, banks and government departments;
• a person or institution subject to the requirements of the Money Laundering Regulations, or a person certifying that identification checks required under these Regulations have taken place."

So it looks like an employer/agency shouldn't copy it but just look at it and make a note its been checked

"Keep a record of relevant documents you are shown, either by photocopying or by scanning and saving them in a format that cannot be subsequently altered, such as CD-R.
With passports and travel documents, copy:

• the front cover
• all of the pages giving your potential employee's personal details including nationality
• any photographs and signature
• the date of expiry
• pages containing a UK government stamp, or endorsement allowing your employee to do the work you are offering

You should copy other documents in their entirety. Keep the copies of "right to work documents" throughout the period for which you employ someone and for two years after the employment ends."

Taken from http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?r.l1=1073858787&r.l3=1073981874&r.lc=en&type=RESOURCES&itemId=1073791949&r.l2=1079568262&r.s=sc
Referred to above from http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/paye/newemployees-newemployee.htm#3

FOR THE LAST TIME..........


AN EMPLOYER IS ALLOWED TO COPY & RETAIN YOUR PASSPORT!!




(PS ANYONE WHO SAYS ANY DIFFERENT DOESNT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT & SHOULD BE IGNORED ON THIS SUBJECT)

doom

Hi,
If anyone was interested in this, I've just found the following pages which detail who needs to be checked and who does not..
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/employers/preventingillegalworking/complyingwiththelaw/