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Private firms assist job centres

Another one from the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7903421.stm

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The government is calling in private recruitment firms to help job centres serve the high number of professionals who are out of work in the recession.
Of nearly two million UK unemployed, about a third are professionals - far more than in previous recessions.

Work and Pensions Select Committee MP Greg Mulholland said job centres "cannot cope with what we are seeing".
Work minister Tony McNulty said the centres were learning to deal with people who haven't presented before".


There are fears that the situation will worsen further if the recession continues in the months ahead.
The sector suffering the most job losses in the three months to December was finance and business services, which shed 72,000 posts. "The job centre was set up in a very different era, when it was a question of getting particularly blue-collar workers, manufacturing workers, who were losing their jobs, into work," said Mr Mulholland, a Liberal Democrat.


"It simply cannot cope with what we are seeing, which is a huge rise in unemployment amongst the professions and amongst managers.
"They simply don't know what to do about that."

Tom Hadley, of the Recruitment and Employment Confederation, said that the expertise of firms specialising in higher-level recruitment was being exploited.
"You're getting a lot more people from the higher end of the jobs market with high skills, with high aspirations in terms of pay, looking for work," he said.
That category of jobseeker might not "naturally gravitate towards job centres", he said, or "get the kind of guidance and potential job outcomes that they're looking for".
"Job centres working with recruitment agencies who are specialising in that kind of level of jobs can refer them on."
Mr McNulty insisted the job centre network was in "learning mode".

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  • JasonLVC
    JasonLVC Posts: 16,762 Forumite
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    Recruitment agencies are just dire.

    20 year old 'recruitment consultants' who are just glorified salesmen - they ain't interested in you, they just want to place you someone, and get their commission.

    To unleash these untalented greed merchants onto the unsuspecting public at large can only lead to disaster.
    Anger ruins joy, it steals the goodness of my mind. Forces me to say terrible things. Overcoming anger brings peace of mind, a mind without regret. If I overcome anger, I will be delightful and loved by everyone.
  • piggeh
    piggeh Posts: 1,723 Forumite
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    If people aren't going to employment agencies as well as the job centre, then more fool them.
    matched betting: £879.63
  • chika
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    I think its a good thing - yes there are some bad recruitment consultants but from what I've heard the jobcentre staff are no better.
    There are many things in life that will catch your eye, only a few will catch your heart. Pursue those.
  • SingleSue
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    I go for my work focused interview this week....it will be another hour of them sitting there nonplussed as I refuse to do as I am told (sit and look after the children), or that I am doing all the extra qualifications and voluntary work, all off my own back and without the threat of losing my benefits.

    Not sure they are used to people being get up and go to be honest...I even fill all the forms in prior to arriving and that confuses them completely!
    We made it! All three boys have graduated, it's been hard work but it shows there is a possibility of a chance of normal (ish) life after a diagnosis (or two) of ASD. It's not been the easiest route but I am so glad I ignored everything and everyone and did my own therapies with them.
    Eldests' EDS diagnosis 4.5.10, mine 13.1.11 eekk - now having fun and games as a wheelchair user.
  • Surely with the increase in claimants the jcp do not have any other choice? I think we are all very lucky to have the benefit system and the help that goes along side it.Not all other EU countries are so lucky!
  • epz_2
    epz_2 Posts: 1,859 Forumite
    JasonLVC wrote: »
    Recruitment agencies are just dire.

    20 year old 'recruitment consultants' who are just glorified salesmen - they ain't interested in you, they just want to place you someone, and get their commission.

    To unleash these untalented greed merchants onto the unsuspecting public at large can only lead to disaster.

    agreed, most recruitment consultants in my experience spend their time chasing companies who might want to employ someone then just post an advert in the usual recruitment websites.

    at best they vet the cvs before passing them along and nabbing a commission/cut of the employees wages, i can never understand why employers dont just advertise themselves.
  • olly300
    olly300 Posts: 14,738 Forumite
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    The governments afraid.

    For years they allowed job centre staff to get away with saying "We can't help you" to anyone with a high level of qualifications or experience if they signed on.

    Now with more people signed on in that category, who are vocal and vote they realise they have to be seen to do something.
    I'm not cynical I'm realistic :p

    (If a link I give opens pop ups I won't know I don't use windows)
  • olly300
    olly300 Posts: 14,738 Forumite
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    epz wrote: »
    agreed, most recruitment consultants in my experience spend their time chasing companies who might want to employ someone then just post an advert in the usual recruitment websites.

    at best they vet the cvs before passing them along and nabbing a commission/cut of the employees wages, i can never understand why employers dont just advertise themselves.

    It's so they can blame someone else if they employ the wrong person.
    I'm not cynical I'm realistic :p

    (If a link I give opens pop ups I won't know I don't use windows)
  • olly300 wrote: »
    The governments afraid.

    For years they allowed job centre staff to get away with saying "We can't help you" to anyone with a high level of qualifications or experience if they signed on.

    Now with more people signed on in that category, who are vocal and vote they realise they have to be seen to do something.

    very true... equal opportunities and all!
  • There was an advertisment in my local job centre a few years back (being the local centre to the place where the job would be undertaken)

    "Rotary and fixed wing test pilot" required. I believe the minimum qualifications were being a graduate of ETPS and 3000 hrs.

    I assume the job centre did not fill the role on this ocassion!
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