CSA payment for my children?

Missy_me_3

mitchaa wrote: »

You cannot expect 1 penny from your ex's new partner. I think your expectation
that you should shows signs of bitterness and jealousy. She no matter what way you look at it should not be supporting your children. The tax payers that pay for your benefits have no choice in the matter, they pay income tax regardless.
I'm sorry to hear about your situation, but pursuing an angry, violent ex who has history of physical violence towards you and more worryingly your your children is surely not the smartest move?
If he has a nil assessment, then there is absolutely nothing you can do about it unfortunately.

Thank you for your unwanted, uneducated, and totally ridiculous statement that I am showing signs of bitterness and jealousy.
I actually asked if you can read is if her income was TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. Please read my original posting read it slowly before tapping your keyboard. I WAS NOT ASKING THAT SHE SUPPORT MY CHILDREN, IT IS YOU THAT PUT THAT VIEW ACROSS. I wont apologise for the fact I do believe her income should be taken into account, as any income he then receives is pocket money and not necessarily needed to fund their NECESSITIES. In this case her property is owned outright with no mortgage, agreeably they still have bills to pay. One of the most important bills should be my ex's contribution to his children. I will actually state when I posted my first question, I was only actually thinking that an additional £20-40 per week would suffice, as I clearly understand that I would not receive much over the capped limit which I believe is £20 per week, due to being on benefits. I self admitt, I hadn't actually had some of the thoughts that I now have, ie: that why should my children be supported on benefits (by the taxpayer) when they have a father whom is fit and well for work.

I didnt ask for your personal opinion on me, that I am bitter and jealous. Sorry if you read in between the lines, or have bitter issues with an ex yourself. My claim for CSA is simply about supporting my children. With my current circumstances £20 would help meet the costs of out of school clubs, clothing, a trip to the cinema FOR MY CHILDREN. I will point out to you, I am in no way jealous or bitter. I have gone to great lengths to protect my children and myself from this (unprintable) that I married. We are divorced,
have been separated years and divorced a few years. I feel disgusted however that any man can enjoy a financially privalaged life,
in the knowledge their children are being brought up on benefits. I myself don't go out, dont drink, smoke or treat myself to what I call luxuries, my financial commitment is to my children and so should my ex's. When it comes to my children's safety, that comes before anything and I use and have used solicitors, courts and womens aid for advice as well as common sense, therefore yours was not apprechiated.

Now regarding your AWFUL comment regarding myself pursuing an angry violent ex. I will fill in some gaps. I have moved hundreds of miles
away to protect my children and taken many other steps which I wont post on a public forum in order to protect our identity and location.
One point I will make is Government Agencies are able to make cases "case sensetive" and are also able to withold my personal details and
location.

Why should he not support his children just because he was violent?? Wow, I guess this would give others an excellent swerve
to not pay, as I am aware many (NOT ALL) NRPs go to great lengths not to pay for their children for various reasons, one being they feel so so scared their ex may financially benefit. Totally ridiculous... hence the cost of raising a child. I wonder the percentage of NRPs that are self employed and hide their actual income.

When it comes to my children's safety, that comes before ANYTHING and I use and have used solicitors, courts and womens aid for advice as well as common sense, therefore yours was not apprechiated.

Supposing he is claiming JSA, and I am unable to proove his "other income" why would he then get a nil assessment?

Missy_me_3

Oops my copy and pasting skills failed me here, sorry as the following statement has gone in twice.

When it comes to my children's safety, that comes before anything and I use and have used solicitors, courts and womens aid for advice as well as common sense, therefore yours was not apprechiated.

Missy_me_3

Furthermore as I really want to try and make my points clear and seem to be failing on that account.

MY COMMENTS ON FIRST POST:-
"I want to claim CSA, if I do this will his new partners income get taken into account. I know that this sounds mean and bitter, but let me explain. If I were to take a new partner and he worked and we lived together, he would be obliged to support both me and my children. Therfore I feel this rule should work both ways. My ex husbands new partner does not have children and is past child bearing age".

I understood "take into account" means consider, "something that is, or should be, considered, as in making a decision".

I mentioned that NRPP has no children and is past child bearing age, to simply point out that by paying any money I would not be stopping or depriving any other children. I also say that if I had a PWCP, his income would be considered for deductions of benefit payments. Thus, he would be worse off. I was never asking for money directly from NRPP. I do have some pride left. I just thought and hoped their joint incomes and necessary expenditure was taken into consideration. It does seem that is not the way of CSA2. So far as I understand I would only receive a max. of £20 before any additional was deemed as income before my IB assesement. Personally, I at the time of first post and now would be greatful for that.

I really dont want to seem like a penny pincher asking the NRPP to pay for my kids.

I just find it hard to comprehend how any NRP can have a steak and champagne lifestyle, whilst accept his children are living in home financially dependent on state benefits, and may have to eat cheaper brand foods.

I want to add something that makes me angry, NRP is fighting a case via court and is claiming 100% Legal Aid, ( I am too as I have to protect the kids). So far as I am aware over £20,000 has been spent on LA on this case. At Christmas he brought nothing for the kids whatsoever he claims to love etc..etc.. I find this sad for the kids. The guy doesnt mind spending government money or for them to be supported by the government.

Myself and kids are rich in love. Only yesterday I was driving, and my almost 6 yr old said to his sibling whom is 7, "Did you see that shooting star? Do you want to make a wish"? she replied, "No! I have my family, love and a happy life, thats all I would wish for".

So money isnt everything, it sure helps though. I thought CSA was about financially supporting children. It seems too many NRP feel justified in not paying to support the children they love. Strange world. I hope this covers some of the points I have made. I take offence at being called bitter and jealous by Michaa and hope others didnt read my post with the same opinion. In addition I am careful at some of the content i post, I am protecting my ID and my childrens.

mitchaa

Missy_me wrote: »

Thank you for your unwanted, uneducated, and totally ridiculous statement that I am showing signs of bitterness and jealousy.
I actually asked if you can read is if her income was TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. Please read my original posting read it slowly before tapping your keyboard. I WAS NOT ASKING THAT SHE SUPPORT MY CHILDREN, IT IS YOU THAT PUT THAT VIEW ACROSS. I wont apologise for the fact I do believe her income should be taken into account, as any income he then receives is pocket money and not necessarily needed to fund their NECESSITIES. In this case her property is owned outright with no mortgage, agreeably they still have bills to pay. One of the most important bills should be my ex's contribution to his children. I will actually state when I posted my first question, I was only actually thinking that an additional £20-40 per week would suffice, as I clearly understand that I would not receive much over the capped limit which I believe is £20 per week, due to being on benefits. I self admitt, I hadn't actually had some of the thoughts that I now have, ie: that why should my children be supported on benefits (by the taxpayer) when they have a father whom is fit and well for work.

I didnt ask for your personal opinion on me, that I am bitter and jealous. Sorry if you read in between the lines, or have bitter issues with an ex yourself. My claim for CSA is simply about supporting my children. With my current circumstances £20 would help meet the costs of out of school clubs, clothing, a trip to the cinema FOR MY CHILDREN. I will point out to you, I am in no way jealous or bitter. I have gone to great lengths to protect my children and myself from this (unprintable) that I married. We are divorced,
have been separated years and divorced a few years. I feel disgusted however that any man can enjoy a financially privalaged life,
in the knowledge their children are being brought up on benefits. I myself don't go out, dont drink, smoke or treat myself to what I call luxuries, my financial commitment is to my children and so should my ex's. When it comes to my children's safety, that comes before anything and I use and have used solicitors, courts and womens aid for advice as well as common sense, therefore yours was not apprechiated.

Now regarding your AWFUL comment regarding myself pursuing an angry violent ex. I will fill in some gaps. I have moved hundreds of miles
away to protect my children and taken many other steps which I wont post on a public forum in order to protect our identity and location.
One point I will make is Government Agencies are able to make cases "case sensetive" and are also able to withold my personal details and
location.

Why should he not support his children just because he was violent?? Wow, I guess this would give others an excellent swerve
to not pay, as I am aware many (NOT ALL) NRPs go to great lengths not to pay for their children for various reasons, one being they feel so so scared their ex may financially benefit. Totally ridiculous... hence the cost of raising a child. I wonder the percentage of NRPs that are self employed and hide their actual income.

When it comes to my children's safety, that comes before ANYTHING and I use and have used solicitors, courts and womens aid for advice as well as common sense, therefore yours was not apprechiated.

Supposing he is claiming JSA, and I am unable to proove his "other income" why would he then get a nil assessment?

Apologies, but i still have the opinion that jealousy and bitterness is coming into play here due to the fact that you believe your ex's partners income should be taken into account.......Hey you even said yourself that it sounded mean and bitter:rolleyes:

Basically, you need to change the rule books as you are arguing black is white here. Partners of NRP's legally have nothing to do with CSA assessments. Why should they? That is absolutely ridiculous.

As to your 2nd point, pursuing an angry violent ex for something you probably wont get, in my opinion is just sheer stupidity especially if he has a history of attacking and assaulting your children. Even if you do get an award from his JSA, it's only £5pw, would you really risk the safety of yourself and your children for £5pw:eek:

But hey that's just me, it's good that we all have different opinions, but so far in this thread i have not seen 1 person agreeing with you that NRP partners should be financially pursued for CSA costs that have nothing to do with them. That my dear is just plain crazy.

Over and out.

kelloggs36

mitchaa wrote: »

Apologies, but i still have the opinion that jealousy and bitterness is coming into play here due to the fact that you believe your ex's partners income should be taken into account.......Hey you even said yourself that it sounded mean and bitter:rolleyes:

Basically, you need to change the rule books as you are arguing black is white here. Partners of NRP's legally have nothing to do with CSA assessments. Why should they? That is absolutely ridiculous. The OP did not say she WAS jealous, only that her query may SOUND like she was - that is two different things. Why can't you see that people believe in principals - that both parents should support children they bring into this world? That is the point she is making.

As to your 2nd point, pursuing an angry violent ex for something you probably wont get, in my opinion is just sheer stupidity especially if he has a history of attacking and assaulting your children. Even if you do get an award from his JSA, it's only £5pw, would you really risk the safety of yourself and your children for £5pw:eek: As the NRP has no way of tracing the PWC then I agree that the PWC here has the RIGHT to ask him to maintain THEIR children, not just hers but HIS too. He cannot bully her into not having to pay which is what it amounts to - I fully agree with the OP here.

But hey that's just me, it's good that we all have different opinions, but so far in this thread i have not seen 1 person agreeing with you that NRP partners should be financially pursued for CSA costs that have nothing to do with them. That my dear is just plain crazy.

Over and out.

And I think she herself also said that she did not think it should be the case either!!!

sarflee

I think the reason this has opened so much debate is because it does appear that the OP thought it fair to have NRPP income taken into account.

'If I were to take a new partner and he worked and we lived together, he would be obliged to support both me and my children. Therfore I feel this rule should work both ways.'

My personal opinion is that it wouldn't be fair but opinions don't alter the legal side. Legally, CSA can only use the NRP income/benefit details in calculating payment, however I also thought that if you can prove that a NRP lifestyle is inconsistent with the income declared you can claim a 'departure' or something like that.

atomic_jen

Feel for you. My ex is a scumbag too. Apply to the CSA but be prepared to nag and nag and nag them to get things done. After 2 years I have had one payment and now I've been told he has been assessed to pay nil as he is on 'state benefit'. I have written to them and my MP etc complaining. I won't be fobbed off and neither should you be. It does still take 2 to make children doesn't it? Good luck