what would the csa do if............

nuckinfobhead

this only a question and one i have just thought of.

if the parent with care (1 child) is also a non resident parent to another child.

THIS IS NOT A REAL SITUATION.

imagine i had a baby from a previous relationship whom i had care of, then had another baby with 'new person', relationship breaks down and i lose custody of my 2nd child to the other person. both children are within 2 years of each other.

so involved in 2 cases of csa one as pwc, one as nrp.
what would happen? how would that work?

Soubrette

I am the PWC and I can assure you that I have found the CSA are as annoying, obstructive and difficult to deal with as some NRPs find.

My ex is a director of his own company and pays himself a low salary and high dividends - he has only declared his minimum wage salary (this was after 4 years of a private arrangement where he helped out to the tune of their school uniforms (getting less and less each year) and some school trips). He has mislead the CSA and claimed that he lives on this salary, savings and girlfriends income.

All the CSA have to do is look at his tax returns but they will not - they will not even ask him directly if he receives dividend income.

They claim they cannot ask him these things as it is an invasion of privacy and he has a right for his answers to them to be accepted as the truth - apparently I am not afforded this right as I have to prove he takes dividends but he does not have to prove he does not (in the form of showing them his tax returns).

Believe me, both PWC and NRP who try and play by the rules and put the interests of their children first are totally screwed over if their ex's do not care enough about their children to do the same.

This should really be in discussion time or the arms btw as this board is for help and advice to those of us going through real situations and these debates push those posts off the front page meaning that someone with some good advice might miss them

Sou

nuckinfobhead

Soubrette wrote: »

I am the PWC and I can assure you that I have found the CSA are as annoying, obstructive and difficult to deal with as some NRPs find.


Believe me, both PWC and NRP who try and play by the rules and put the interests of their children first are totally screwed over if their ex's do not care enough about their children to do the same.

Sou

thanks for that, i had a moment then... ooooo lol no but seriously thanks i've never really opened my eyes to what its like on the other side of the fence.

Soubrette

nuckinfobhead wrote: »

thanks for that, i had a moment then... ooooo lol no but seriously thanks i've never really opened my eyes to what its like on the other side of the fence.

It is actually a pleasure speaking with people like you who at least acknowledge my difficulties even though they are sat on the other side of the fence as the NRP.

I find it so frustrating to explain my situation to someone who then later posts the same "all PWC's are evil and just want to fleece their ex partner for revenge", even after I've gone into some detail about my situation.

I also feel the same way about NRP who get the same treatment :mad:

Sou

nuckinfobhead

yep they're [EMAIL="!!!!"]!!!![/EMAIL]. and i can only imagine how frustrating it to have nrp to not pay, try their hardest to pay as little as poss.

but, i am that person myself i'm afraid, but with reason.

having some 'bint' on the end of the phone blarting alsorts of crap trying to force you to pay your ex, threatening letters and all that !!!!!!. only starts when csa are involved. and thats started by the pwc, chased up weekly by the really nice pwc's :mad:

perhaps if it wasnt forced people wouldnt resist so much.

Soubrette wrote: »

"all PWC's are evil and just want to fleece their ex partner for revenge"

not all, but my moneys on there's more like that, whether they admit it or not.

sorry but thats just how i see it

Soubrette

nuckinfobhead wrote: »

yep they're !!!!. and i can only imagine how frustrating it to have nrp to not pay, try their hardest to pay as little as poss.

but, i am that person myself i'm afraid, but with reason.

having some 'bint' on the end of the phone blarting alsorts of crap trying to force you to pay your ex, threatening letters and all that !!!!!!. only starts when csa are involved. and thats started by the pwc, chased up weekly by the really nice pwc's :mad:

perhaps if it wasnt forced people wouldnt resist so much.



not all, but my moneys on there's more like that, whether they admit it or not.

sorry but thats just how i see it

I have to admit that I tend to see it the other way - the nrp who seem to act as if they are single most of the time and want to just play at being a parent in the ways that are most convenient to them - but at least I admit that's my bias and I'm also prepared to admit there are lots of honest decent nrp who want to spend time and money on their children, even most of them imo

I got the CSA involved because when I was divorced 4 years ago we agreed on shared care and shared costs, neither of which have materialised, this last year has got worse with the ex getting more and more reluctant to pay a penny out (new girlfriend) and saying things like he will charge the children rent if they go to university and stay with him as over 18s need to make a contribution :rolleyes:

I honestly thought I could trust him 100% to be the best dad he possibly could be and I feel bitterly disappointed for the girls. He and I had a last ditch conversation to try and keep things private - all he could offer was that he would be more prompt in buying school uniform - he nearly forgot last year. I asked him to put some money away for the girls' future and he offered £50 a month each for them. The man earns in excess of £200 to £500 a day and he offers to put a £100 a month away for them and to buy their uniforms :rolleyes: Last time he bought them he didn't bother getting them new shoes and dug out a two year old coat for my youngest that he had bought her previously.

All these things make me distrust him as a parent and make me want to put things into a neutral party's hands and the best I've got is the CSA.

BTW if you are serious about not wanting to give your ex a penny, even though that will be impacting on your child, are you at least putting some money by for him so that you can tell him that you thought of him all the time and you made sacrifices for him so that he could have money for a house deposit, pay of student loans or whatever? I always think that that is a nice gesture to a child and shows that it truly was the mum that you didn't want to benefit rather than (as does seem to be the case very often in these instances) the NRP just wants to keep the money for themselves....or is that my biases showing again

Sou

pink_princess

Hi
We live your made up situation.(sort of)
I have two daughters (father deceased)
I also have my step son who lives with us permanently.(order in place but never paid)
I also have a step daughter no contact unfortunatley i ve never met her.(order in place ,OH laid off so im paying at present)
They are treat as two totally seperate cases by the csa.It is probably the only fair way to do it as our pwc case is only for £5 a week,while our other liability is alot more lol.