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SingleSue

bubblesmoney wrote: »

if i was down on my ar*e with no where to turn to, i would turn to my savings (having been prudent in the past and have managed to save) and my family to look after me which they would just as i would look after them. i dont need someones handouts to live on. even if something were to happen to me tomorrow i have made adequate provision for my family to live in my absense, my wife would just have the house to get rid off and i have said to sell it at a loss (as much as needed) so that its a quick sale. even if i lost every bit of my satisfactory savings and job in the uk i wouldnt be a happy bunny losing my savings but i could still live easily elsewhere, would still have a home to live in and a place to work, even if i couldnt work i could still live my life without having to beg a penny. and no i wasnt born with a silver spoon neither were my parents. infact far from it we have had enough problems and still made it through hard work and not needing to benefit or anything of that kind elsewhere. by our share of problems i mean being homeless, no food, reading by the street lights, father as child needing to do manual labour to feed themselves(him and younger sibling), studying at night schools while doing manual labour during day, taking loans for studies which was approved by bank chairman with loan guarantee column filled in by chairman as 'applicants character' when he was initially refused by lower bank staff, ill health, u name it we have been through it. so save your curses because even if they do happen i and my family will survive through hard work and not need to beg for a hand out from anyone far less the govt.

people improve through hard work not by getting hand outs. my extended family is living proof that people improve with hard work and family support through thick and thin. coming from nothing (including lack of food, home, most of them needing to work even as children or just out of shool in far off places with no home, sleeping in the office while working as handyman in the office during day and studying for many qualifications at night schools and colleges and going on to buy out huge companies where they started out as the handyman fetching tea for others, some in just the 1st generation owning multinational companies, some being asked by usa authorities to dep-chair multilateral trade body, a few in 2nd gen now on boards of multinational banks and companies and almost everyone doing well. all through hard work, everyonbe had more than their share of severe financial hardship even by developing world standards but still all made it not by getting handouts but by hard work even while staying 13 or more in a one bed houses, even while sleeping on office tables at work because had no home or as lodgers and ill health in family too including looking after family members with stroke and also disabled children all through their own efforts. so save your curses we have seen bad days and worse, even if we do fall again we will still get back on our feet through hard work and not through handouts.

hope you had some decency to even look at the link to the clinton welfare program instead of just heaping abuses on me, then you would have seen which brought about radical changes in welfare and cut benefit claimants by 53% in 3y and got them to work. i am not saying that that program is the panacea to all problems but it is a start with some encouraging success rates. there is no golden bullet but getting people to work (for those who can work) is always a good thing. just throwing benefits at people is not always good. benefits are needed for the people who really need them. by any stretch of imagination i am sure there a hundreds of thousands out there getting benefits when they should be working. thats all i was trying to say.

as for benfit changes not happening, keep on dreaming, changes are already underway companies have been contracted to hire doctors (out of the nhs) for asessing benfit claimants for their ability to work. this will be taken off GPs hands. so keep dreaming that the benefits gravy train will continue. no country can afford unlimited benefits for unlimited time for people who can work. allowing such things to happen is illtreating other hard woorking people contributing to the economy and the countrys good.

I am not quite sure how to take your post, whether I should feel guilt because I have relied on the state to get me through or proud because I am doing exactly what you have stated your family has done (night school, courses etc).

Ok, I will not take offence but could I ask what your suggestion would be for a scenario where childcare providers refuse to take on children due to disabilities which can cause violence and aggression and the option of extended family are not able, through their own failing health or by working themselves, to help out with childcare provision.

What would your plan of action be? How would you go about ensuring the safety and health of your children whilst also providing an income without relying on benefits?

My own answer would be to attain work in a sector which closely mirrors the times when the children are at school (including school holidays). Unfortunately, there are hundreds of people going for the exact same type of employment and the chances of actually securing a position become pretty remote.

A person wants to work but is thwarted at every turn - so what is the answer?

bubblesmoney

SingleSue wrote: »

I am not quite sure how to take your post, whether I should feel guilt because I have relied on the state to get me through or proud because I am doing exactly what you have stated your family has done (night school, courses etc).

Ok, I will not take offence but could I ask what your suggestion would be for a scenario where childcare providers refuse to take on children due to disabilities which can cause violence and aggression and the option of extended family are not able, through their own failing health or by working themselves, to help out with childcare provision.

What would your plan of action be? How would you go about ensuring the safety and health of your children whilst also providing an income without relying on benefits?

My own answer would be to attain work in a sector which closely mirrors the times when the children are at school (including school holidays). Unfortunately, there are hundreds of people going for the exact same type of employment and the chances of actually securing a position become pretty remote.

A person wants to work but is thwarted at every turn - so what is the answer?

Sue my answer was not directed at you. i admire your grit and determination to do the best for your children come what may. benefits and social support are definitely needed for people who need help like you. i was just saying there are loads who misuse the system and they should have the book thrown at them.

as a side note i think the scum bag (your ex) who abandoned his children should have a big chunk of all his earnings deducted at source to adequately care for his children whom he abandoned even if this means him being on the street. he shouldnt produce children if he cant look after them till they are able to look after themselves. this is why families are important they provide supportr thru the good times and the bad.

as a side note, we had the good fortune to have excellent friends and neighbours who looked after us when our parents were working their butts off (365 days a year without holidays for many years, working fulltime during the day plus extra privately in the evenings and weekends ) to clear loans taken during hard days. so tghe friends and neighbours were and are like extended family as well after all these years even though we live across the world now from them

your plan of action for yourself seems right. i would do the same in your situation. i have family who did the same as you to look after their disabled children. other extended family members help out when they can when other extended family members are in trouble. i am thankful for the numerous times quite a few in our extended family have helped us out in our times of need and we do try to do the same as well when ever possible. that is why having extended close family network is important both for social and protection reasons as well, the state cant do everything for everyone, that is why extended families are important. the state needs to encourage families to stay together and come down hammer and tongs at people who abandon their children and familes, every means of the state should be used to bring such people to task and to provide for their families.

i guess this would have been better posted on the other thread about the govt taxing families where both of us have posted as well. but sometimes i guess some thread have posts like mine which distract from the main thread. apologies for diverging from the topic of this thread.

SingleSue

Thanks for the reply Bubblesmoney....I didn't think it was directed at me but you know some of us woman, we get a little paranoid at times! :rotfl:

Talking about my plan of action (and apologies but this is off topic as well), my tutor for my OU degree I start next week, got in contact tonight ... arrrggghhhh scared!

bubblesmoney

SingleSue wrote: »

Thanks for the reply Bubblesmoney....I didn't think it was directed at me but you know some of us woman, we get a little paranoid at times! :rotfl:

Talking about my plan of action (and apologies but this is off topic as well), my tutor for my OU degree I start next week, got in contact tonight ... arrrggghhhh scared!

hope things go well for you

treliac

olly300 wrote: »

I personally don't see how supermarket jobs are going to replace better paid jobs in the car industry, financial services or engineering.

Savvy employers won't want overqualified staff who won't be happy.