Changing job in these times

barnaby-bear

piggeh wrote: »

I would say in the current climate, dozens of people will show interest in any job going. To be offered a job at the moment shows that you have impressed greatly and the employer obviously has a lot of faith in your ability above all others.

It's a specialist area (minimum 3 degrees), UK nationality (rules out the mass of highly skilled Chinese, East Europeans - who are usually the main competition) and needs experience and people are paralysed by uncertainty so those in the commercial sector aren't moving around much hence they are dragging the less commercial dregs....

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barnaby-bear wrote: »

I have a very safe, reasonably well-paid job, that I've been doing for a long while that could carry as more of the same for ever...

I've an offer of a more interesting, similarly paid job but with more exciting prospects, more responsibility but probably a bit more cut-throat and it would take a couple of years before building up the permanent status full employment right, last in last out.... I've probably only been offered this as everyone else is too scared to move and they aren't getting candidates so it's an opportunity out of the instability....

I'm a bit bored and there isn't anywhere to go in my current role (there is no career ladder as such)... but am I complacent because I can pay my bills.

there are 2 million plus out of work and they cant find candidates?if I were you id be asking why that was?

epz_2

Especially in the engineering sector I tend to find working on interesting and unusual stuff actually makes you a better engineer and hence more desirable.

Oddly the collapse of the pound means engineering and manufacturing job prospects will likely increase though the past decade has probably crippled our industry as most of that generation saw it decimated and left it or never entered the field.

epz_2

woodbine wrote: »

there are 2 million plus out of work and they cant find candidates?if I were you id be asking why that was?

three degrees, experience and by the sounds of it some sort of military contract rules out a lot of people.

bubblesmoney

barnaby-bear wrote: »

I have a very safe, reasonably well-paid job, that I've been doing for a long while that could carry as more of the same for ever...

I've an offer of a more interesting, similarly paid job but with more exciting prospects, more responsibility but probably a bit more cut-throat and it would take a couple of years before building up the permanent status full employment right, last in last out.... I've probably only been offered this as everyone else is too scared to move and they aren't getting candidates so it's an opportunity out of the instability....

I'm a bit bored and there isn't anywhere to go in my current role (there is no career ladder as such)... but am I complacent because I can pay my bills.

u mention that u have been offered this only because they cant find someone else. are u sure u have the appropriate skills mix and the experience for the job offered. what if they find that your performance is not up to their expectations or they find someone they were initially looking for and fire you???? you wouldnt get a redundancy pay at your new employer whereas if you got laid off at present employer you would get a good redundancy pay. i guess a teaching job you seem to have would be more secure than a R&D job in the present climate. when sales go down companies will cut spending usually and mostlikely this will hit R&D budgets early as they focus on tried and tested brands with lower costs and bigger sales to cover their bottom lines.

barnaby-bear

bubblesmoney wrote: »

u mention that u have been offered this only because they cant find someone else. are u sure u have the appropriate skills mix and the experience for the job offered. what if they find that your performance is not up to their expectations or they find someone they were initially looking for and fire you???? you wouldnt get a redundancy pay at your new employer whereas if you got laid off at present employer you would get a good redundancy pay. i guess a teaching job you seem to have would be more secure than a R&D job in the present climate. when sales go down companies will cut spending usually and mostlikely this will hit R&D budgets early as they focus on tried and tested brands with lower costs and bigger sales to cover their bottom lines.

I do a bit of teaching :rolleyes: (and care in the community it feels) the majority is R&D, it's a reasearch job primarily... oddly R&D gets more focus in a downturn and the low pound is making the UK a better place to do it.... but keep the thoughts coming this is very helpful.... but yes 5 years guaranteed work is the fact I can't escape from..... and I appreciate most would kill for this....

PasturesNew

barnaby-bear wrote: »

I have a very safe, reasonably well-paid job, that I've been doing for a long while that could carry as more of the same for ever...

I've an offer of a more interesting, similarly paid job but with more exciting prospects, more responsibility but probably a bit more cut-throat and it would take a couple of years before building up the permanent status full employment right, last in last out.... I've probably only been offered this as everyone else is too scared to move and they aren't getting candidates so it's an opportunity out of the instability....

I'm a bit bored and there isn't anywhere to go in my current role (there is no career ladder as such)... but am I complacent because I can pay my bills.

give the new job to me and we'll see where that goes ... and in 2 years' time you can have the new job back and I'll go find another one.

Win : win.

Unless you're a rocket scientist, I can't do that.

PasturesNew

barnaby-bear wrote: »

Hi-tech, engineering R&D (significant manufacturing).....

Oh, it IS rocket science.

fc123

barnaby-bear wrote: »

It's pseudo-public sector (university) - I get a minimum of 5 years notice :rotfl:people leave in boxes on the type of contract I have

I don't fully understand how they work, but couldn't you ask for a sabbatical?

Take a year out, try out new role...then return if you hate it/doesn't work out. The new role may enhance your current one too, in terms of extra experience etc??
If you don't ask, don't get?
Are there queues of people waiting to step into your job right now? That could be a problem if you do want to return.

barnaby-bear

woodbine wrote: »

there are 2 million plus out of work and they cant find candidates?if I were you id be asking why that was?

Because when you breakdown those out of work by qualifications, location, experience etc some jobs so specialised there are shortages.... none of the kids want to do hard subjects or multiple degrees (debt) any more, most of the schools seem unable to teach this stuff as well. One of my commercial partners at the moment has just recruited 10+ staff, only one was UK, the others mainly Chinese, Indian and Eastern European and these are 30k+ jobs... because they are better qualified.