Moving to IRELAND can i claim job seekers untill i find a job

foster123

Hi i ve moved to Ireland from England as girlfriends working here im currently looking for work joined the recruitment places sent applications off got pps number sorted i ve always worked in england and paid my taxes there so can i claim ant thing like job seekers or anything till i find one help please

dmg24

You would need to ask at the Irish equivalent of the Jobcentre. You cannot claim from the DWP as you are out of the country.

PolishBigSpender

For a start, I wouldn't use the term 'Southern Ireland' to anyone in Ireland - a lot of people will take offence to such a term there.

Secondly, you could've transferred your jobseekers allowance to Ireland for a while - I think it's possibly 3 months, but I'm not certain on this. As you haven't done this, it all depends on the Irish system - which is outlined at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment_insurance#Ireland

CTA residence might be enough - but I wouldn't be surprised in these times if they make it very difficult for you.

briona

foster123 wrote: »

Hi i ve moved to southern Ireland from England as girlfriends working here im currently looking for work joined the recruitment places sent applications off got pps number sorted i ve always worked in england and paid my taxes there so can i claim ant thing like job seekers or anything till i find one help please

As dmg24 says, you can't claim JSA from DWP since you're not actually searching for a job in the UK. Looking at Ireland's Social Welfare info, you wouldn't be able to claim anything from them either, as you haven't made any PRSI (Irish equivalent of NI) contributions.

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Schemes/JobseekerSupports/JobseekersBenefit/Pages/jb.aspx

Your best bet would be to find ANY job – be it in a pub or Tescos, whatever – just to get some contributions made. You will need to look into getting an RSI* number though, as I don't know where your contributions go if you don't have one!

http://www.jobsearch.ie/applicants/pps.htm

*EDIT: Reading the link above it seems it's now called a PPS number – it was an RSI number when I lived there!

briona

PolishBigSpender wrote: »

For a start, I wouldn't use the term 'Southern Ireland' to anyone in Ireland - a lot of people will take offence to such a term there.

LOL! I purposely chose to ignore the use of the term "Southern Ireland" however, now you've pulled the OP up on it I'll have my say!

OP, there is no such thing as "Southern Ireland" – the Irish refer to the country as (the Republic of) Ireland or Éire...

N79

You need an E10X (its 103, 106 or 108 I think depending on your circumstances) form from HMRC Residency at Newcastle to prove that you have paid NI for the last X years (3 I think). If your NI contributions are not up to date then you are stuffed.

You should then be entitled to be treated the same an Irish citizen. Note the same as an Irish citizen not the same as you would be treated in the UK so you will need to understand Ireland's rules for claiming whatever benefits are available in Ireland.

Its been a while since I have had to do this so take the above with a pinch of salt.

Conor_3

Just remember that Ireland is not the UK. It is an entirely seperate country. Think of it as the equivalent to moving to France instead of moving to Scotland and you'll do better.

briona

Based on the information given in N79's post I've just had a quick look and it seems that you CAN combine social welfare/national insurance payments from different countries in order to claim benefits but ONLY if you have worked in two or more countries; in the case of the OP this would be Ireland and the UK.

From the link below: "If you have worked in Ireland and one or more EU state your social insurance contributions from each EU state will be added to your Irish social insurance contributions to help you qualify for one of the following social welfare payments..." and among the payments listed in Jobseeekers' Benefit.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/social-welfare/irish-social-welfare-system/claiming-a-social-welfare-payment/social-insurance-contributions-from-abroad

Obviously not having yet worked in Ireland, this doesn't help the OP but it may help someone in a similar situation.

N79

Like I said, you would have to comply with the rules of Ireland's claims process. The E10X form is used to transfer social security payments from 1 EU country to another. According to that site there is also an E30X series of forms. The whole process is mind blowingly complex and eventual involves a claim by Ireland against the UK for the costs incurred.

I do not believe that there is a rule that you have to have worked in two or more countries. You should be able to transfer benefits from 1 country to another without first having to work in the second country. Indeed, article 9 of the EC regulation appears to mandate that this is the case. Maybe the website is poorly worded?

"EC Reg 1408/71 (bolding is mine).

Article 9

Admission to voluntary or optional continued insurance

1. The legislative provisions of any Member State which make admission to voluntary or optional continued insurance conditional upon residence in the territory of that State shall not apply to workers to whom this Regulation applies and who are resident in the territory of another Member State, provided that at some time in their past working life they were subject to the legislation of the first State.

2. Where, under the legislation of a Member State, admission to voluntary or optional continued insurance is conditional upon completion of insurance periods, any such periods completed under the Legislation of another Member State shall be taken into account, to the extent required, as if they were completed under the legislation of the first State."

N79

Articles 69 - 71 also seems to imply that you can continue a claim in the UK for at least 3 months after you leave. You are on your own in figuring out how to do this in practice though!

foster123

apoloiges for the top bit ive worked since i was 16 in England and paid my taxes im looking for jobs but think with the current suitation with jobs in most countries it could take bit longer im going to my local walfare office tomorrow to see what happens thanks for the replys:T