help i'm in bits

gt568

Cat695 wrote: »

No i'm not a reporter I'm actually a SSgt in a recce regt....and it adds everything to this debate....you say there is a perfect system in place when there is quite clearly not.....as with the whole of the Army (and i assume the whole of the forces) everywhere is undermanned and over stretched

And it will not reflect on his career in the slightest....yes it would be different if he was at his regt but he's not and along way from it.

I don't know why your hell bent on slagging people off? I couldn't care less what you actually think, I know exactly what i'm talking about because of first hand experience of it....as a recruit (though times will have changed since i was in basic...I did a years phase 1) and as an instructor.

I don't understand why people would think less of him purely because he wants (and his mum wants) him to come home at the same time as the rest of his troop.....As a training screw i had far more important things to worry about than think a recruit was blabbering... because he phoned home.

Wow, throw some rank around...As you are no longer involved in phase 1 training I suggest you find out a bit more about it these days..

I noticed you conviently ignored the question I asked you, so I'll ask it again

As to another job, plenty of young people go to apprenticeships in towns and other areas. Indeed my cousin has just taken up an apprenticeship with Perkins Engines in Peterborough and he is from Northern Ireland...very similar to this lad from the outer Isles and his training in England wouldn't you say?

Secondly I asked you where I said he was blabbering? You won't find it, because I never said it. Nor have I said it would affect his career. I just think the mother should leave him alone and let him live his own life.

Furthermore I am not slagging anyone off, I can understand that the mother misses her son. It seems that people aren't allowed to disagree with you and that you know best, which sadly is a typical army attitude:rolleyes: God forbid anybody else could have a different outlook...

Cat695

gt568 wrote: »

Wow, throw some rank around...As you are no longer involved in phase 1 training I suggest you find out a bit more about it these days..At which point did i throw rank around?? you asked so i told you.....no rank throwing anywhere and would be pretty pointless on a forum.

I noticed you conviently ignored the question I asked you, so I'll ask it again. Obviously you cannot read to well or just skip over peoples posts....There is NO job in this country that is the same or equivalent as sending a 15/16 yro away to join the forces for his/her first proper job in life, I'm sure your friend can still go down town when he finishers in the evening and call his parents whenever he wants (which you cannot do in training)

Secondly I asked you where I said he was blabbering? You won't find it, because I never said it. Nor have I said it would affect his career. I just think the mother should leave him alone and let him live his own life. Sorry that was one of your followers. However you have made it quite clear he would be singled out if she did ring up. Which he won't as that is bullying which is not allowed as you well know!

Furthermore I am not slagging anyone off, No really you should read though your posts again...and I think saying that someone works for the sun newspaper is quite a slagging off.

I can understand that the mother misses her son. It seems that people aren't allowed to disagree with you and that you know best, which sadly is a typical army attitude:rolleyes: God forbid anybody else could have a different outlook...

Exactly i can't be wrong and trust me i have nowhere near the same attitude has most guys in the Army (seeing as i'm being the compassionate one here) and actually give a !!!! about what happens to recruits, or anyone of the soldiers under me no matter what rank they are.

Unlike your victorian attitude of he is a man now let him get on with it...when he quite clearly isn't a man...he is a boy....16! can't vote can't drink, can't have a tattoo, can't drive, can't be left on his own while in barracks, can't even join the army without his parents permission....so she has every right to medal in it. He even still gets his milk allowance because of his age.

So please enlighten me with your vast experience at winchester ATR.....because if you say Catterick I'm going to laugh very loudly at you.

gt568

This is pointless...

I care an immense amout for the welfare of recruits and the airman and soldiers that have served under my command...

This is not about the lad, it is about the mother.

I have made my point, she can call or not...just because you think she should, does not make it right...

He is still coming home, should should leave it at that. If he wasn't coming home at all I could see your point.

genieuk

Personally I don't think this thread is getting anywhere now. Apart from possibly upsetting the original poster with remarks about previous incidents which gets us no where.

Can we let this one go now please.

mrsthrifty_2

I have sooo been looking forward to my son coming home for the weekend.
The caring army:rotfl: have now booked him to come home on Monday. So he wont be here for the weekend at all.
He will be home Monday to Friday. I will be at work and wont get to see him much

Lou it is :j MONDAY :j try and put the last few days behind you and concentrate on enjoying your sons time off this week.

In hind site it may be a good thing that you are working as he may be very tired and drained and need to catch up on his sleep, doing your normal day time things gives you all your evenings together to enjoy, you might not have got more if things had gone to plan

:beer: wishing you all a lovely week :beer:

scat

Just out of interest - who gives you the number for the welfare officer? Because if it's your son I wouldn't be surprised if you can't get hold of him. My other half is ex services and he missed his dad's wedding because they messed his travel arragements up ( NOT!!!! ) He actually went on the razzle with his mates for the weekend instead.... I'm not saying your son is like that but the army is all about being one big family unit. You may well have to get used to the idea that he doesn't need you quite as much as you need him.

lee634

Gents, with all this bickering being aired in public, how do you feel this mother is feeling right now,

yes she has aired her anguish is public, and would like help in understanding whats going on, but i don't believe we need to tell her she is doing wrong,

what sort of impression of the services are we giving her.!!!!!!!

cheepskate_2

Just stumbled upon this thread, and I can see a little bit of the mothers view point from a mother with a son training at the moment and also we have a 8 year old aslo who misses him terribly.

To give a bit of perspective, my son started RAF training earlier this year and is due within the next month to move to his unit and like all trainees has had a few late or canceled leave and some of it was probably where he expected to be given leave.

I understand it is very difficult when our child leaves home for the first time and its not them or us who call the shots, it is so difficult when we have to relinquish our motherly control about how things get done.

I think the OP problem is , that she does not have any husband/ adult family members to vent these frustrations out to , If she did it would probably be less of an issue also I think the parents day has just been and you cannot go so you may be a bit more tetchy at the moment due to this.
Your job as a mother is to make the transition into adulthood smooth, be there to give advice and support them when times are low, which from reading your other posts I'm sure you do OP.

The more you complain to your son about this unjust problem or any other one the more it will also annoy him.

From dealing with this with my son, which I probably was a bit like the OP, although I had a DH to vent my anger to and who calmed me down . As my son has been in the training a bit longer you come to "learn" to deal with situations more calmly. The bigger the deal you make about it to your son the bigger an issue it will be for him, and lets face it , not comming home on exactly the right time but knowing they are safe is a small comprimise.

I would just like to say I disagree with the OP trying to call the base for this incident, although he is only 16 he has now taken that first journey into adulthood and as an adult he has to now deal with the difficulties( barring anything major) he faces himself with support and guidence from his parent.

Hope the OP is feeling better about his leave and when he does get home it is a great time

Firefly

It look like the OP hasn't even logged on since shortly after posting her OP so sadly she hasn't seen the responses she's received.

It would be good to hear how the visit home went. Fingers crossed all is well.

frugallass

Firefly wrote: »

It would be good to hear how the visit home went. Fingers crossed all is well.

My sentiments exactly - hope she enjoyed having him home