Should the tax and benefits system prioritise families? poll discussion

scootw1

mitchaa wrote: »

In the grand scheme of things i think you will find that it is.

We are here for 1 sole reason and that is reproduction. The meaning of life is to reproduce otherwise we as a species would soon become extinct.

Planet earth is billions of years old, you live for approx 75yrs of that, what relevance is your life to that of our living planet?

The little things like having fun, getting rich, having a child free life is completely irrelevant on the whole for the human species evolution, there is 1 sole purpose of you on this planet and that is reproduction.
Who cares if Joe Bloggs born year 2000 has a fun child free life and makes £10m when in the year 2100 his life is forgotten about and the family tree stops at his death. By the year 2200, long forgotten, by the time 2300 practically never existed and so on and on. Not the same if you have children however as that carries on and on.

So in the grand scheme of things life is about having offspring otherwise life would not exist and to sum up the meaning of life in only 1 word and that is reproduction, everything else is completely irrelevant

I'm so glad that my life now has no meaning because I don't want kids. If you want kids, fine. But it is not all there is to life.

I think there definitely should be a financial reward for being married, higher tax allowances, thresholds etc

Why should you get more because you are married? Again, I am very happy having a girlfriend and not being married. I don't want the expense of getting married. Why should I be penalised because of that? Single people pay tax too you know

shadej

justthisonce wrote: »

Life is NOT about having children. Where on earth do you get that idea from?
Parents do not usually put their children into childcare because they can't be bothered to look after them but because they need 2 incomes to pay the mortgage etc. Give them some tax relief on the mortgage interest payments, allow one wage earner to use both tax allowances and perhaps they won't both need to go to work.

Maybe not to you but to me and most other parents kids are our lives.
If you wanna spend your life alone then that's up to you. We where all once kids.
Children are everything. I really don't get you, wither you help a family with their mortgage or childcare its still help. In fact mortgage help would be more money.
In many families only one parent works but help is still needed.

shadej

scootw1 wrote: »

I'm so glad that my life now has no meaning because I don't want kids. If you want kids, fine. But it is not all there is to life.


Why should you get more because you are married? Again, I am very happy having a girlfriend and not being married. I don't want the expense of getting married. Why should I be penalised because of that? Single people pay tax too you know

Again because your a tight so & so and don't want to spend money on getting married none of us should. If you want to be single and alone then thats great but are you sure in 5-10 years your girlfriend wont want marriage and kids. As you dont have a child I can only suggest that you have no idea on the joy children can bring. I am getting sick an tired of single people thinking that tax is just for them.
I paid tax long before I had my child and I will pay tax long after my child leaves home. He will also pay tax. We all pay tax not just you. How can you want the same tax credits as a parent if you don't have the same extra expenses as a parent?

mitchaa

scootw1 wrote: »

Why should you get more because you are married? Again, I am very happy having a girlfriend and not being married. I don't want the expense of getting married. Why should I be penalised because of that? Single people pay tax too you know

If there was a financial reward simply for having a partner, no-one would be single would they;)

Hence why a financial reward for being married, as you're either married or your not.

It's not something out of the blue, there once used to be a married allowance where you were able to interchange taxation between the 2. They need to bring it back.

Marriage does not need to be expensive, what's wrong with you, your partner and 1 witness? It's going that step further and committing.

I too cannot understand people who want to go through their entire lifes without marriage and children But then that's up to them, who am i to question?

scootw1

shadej wrote: »

Again because your a tight so & so and don't want to spend money on getting married none of us should. If you want to be single and alone then thats great but are you sure in 5-10 years your girlfriend wont want marriage and kids. As you dont have a child I can only suggest that you have no idea on the joy children can bring. I am getting sick an tired of single people thinking that tax is just for them.
I paid tax long before I had my child and I will pay tax long after my child leaves home. He will also pay tax. We all pay tax not just you. How can you want the same tax credits as a parent if you don't have the same extra expenses as a parent?

Yes I am sure as I have asked my girlfriend and she is of the same opinion. It does not matter whether you are married or not. just because you went that "one step further " does not make you any more of a person or more committed. I did not suggest that tax should just be for single people only, you seem to be suggesting that OUR tax should immediately go to married people. I don't want to get married, I don't want kids so you want me to be penalised. I would say that was a very selfish attitude really.

LunarTic

McSaver wrote: »

H: What about the neuro-diverse that are very unlikely to actually date anyone during their lifetimes yet alone get a partner and produce offspring!

Not everybody is Neuro-Typical. Im 1 of the several thousand aspies around and would just like to show how I feel.

I wouldn't say completely unlikely though - in my case it just took 29 years to meet the love of my life (we've been happily married for over 3 years now) and I have a diagnosis of "mild" Aspergers.

One day it might just happen for you too

shadej

scootw1 wrote: »

Yes I am sure as I have asked my girlfriend and she is of the same opinion. It does not matter whether you are married or not. just because you went that "one step further " does not make you any more of a person or more committed. I did not suggest that tax should just be for single people only, you seem to be suggesting that OUR tax should immediately go to married people. I don't want to get married, I don't want kids so you want me to be penalised. I would say that was a very selfish attitude really.

Marriage matters to me and the hundreds of thousands of others that took their vowels.
I am happy for my tax to go where ever it is needed but you don't have to be blind to see that families need it more than singles. Who is penalizing you? How much do you reckon your losing here. Tax funds many things including prisons, nhs and green Britain. Not just families. I am happy for you to live your life child free but don't suggest I should also follow you. You choose you life and I choose mine. I work very hard and pay tax just like you. I can fully understand why parents claim help and benefits but I dont understand why healthy singles claim job seekers for more than 4 weeks. Your frustration is aimed at the wrong people.

scootw1

shadej wrote: »

Marriage matters to me and the hundreds of thousands of others that took their vowels.
I am happy for my tax to go where ever it is needed but you don't have to be blind to see that families need it more than singles. Who is penalizing you? How much do you reckon your losing here. Tax funds many things including prisons, nhs and green Britain. Not just families. I am happy for you to live your life child free but don't suggest I should also follow you. You choose you life and I choose mine. I work very hard and pay tax just like you. I can fully understand why parents claim help and benefits but I dont understand why healthy singles claim job seekers for more than 4 weeks. Your frustration is aimed at the wrong people.

Why do two people (married) need more than two people (going out together)? Two people (married) pay the same tax as two people (going out together). YOU are suggesting that two people who are married should get more (leave the children out of the equation for the moment) and I can't see your reasoning. I didn't say anyone was penalising me, just that you were suggesting that married people get more which would be penalising me. And I'm not suggesting you live your life the same as me. Do what you like but don;t expect extra for it

KidMoe

I'm married and childless. Prior to getting married I lived with my partner in the same house, we earnt the same amount of money as we do now and spend/save the same amount of money, more or less. In practical terms the only difference is that we have a few more photographs dotted around the place and I'm incredibly paranoid about losing my wedding ring.

Why should my wife and I get tax breaks or benefits just because we signed a bit of paper?

I certainly don't think we should. We earn more than enough to cover any bills and a bit more besides. If we decided to have children money would become tighter but we'd probably manage on our existing wages. However, we'd automatically get child benefit that could be put to far better use by a single person on the breadline, or a unmarried couple with children or even by the RSPCA if it came to it. If however one or both of us lost our jobs, regardless of how much savings we have or how well insured we are at some point we may need a little help from the government. For these reasons I would like tax/child benefits to be means tested to a far greater degree than they already are.

Having children may be a lifestyle choice that you should properly prepare for but circumstances change, and as we need children to support a ever-growing number of pensioners those who do choose to have children should do so save in the knowledge that there is a safety net available should things go wrong.

shadej

How did we get from the topic of families to just being married.
If you look back over all of my post you will see that I made no comment about married couples getting more. I have always mentioned families. So please dont qoute me in capitals for something I have not said. This is very pointless now.
You want the same benefits for you and your girlfriend as a man, his wife, and their children. Who is being selfish now? Thanks goodness the government will never see it through your eyes. So what if you dont get back exactly what you put in. The system benefits those who need help. Not because you put in you should get the same out. Thats like saying pensioners shouldn't get a state pention because thay have had their whole lives to work and they should have saved enough money. It does not work like that.