Where is all this money going to come from?

ad9898_3

Generali wrote: »

If you bail people out this time, they'll take bigger (and stupider) risks in the future in the assumption that the Government will catch them if they fall.

We're building up some terrible problems in this country by not exposing people to risk. The only way to learn about risk is to be left with the consequences of your actions.

I let my small kids jump off things. People say, "Watch out (s)he'll fall."

I reply, "If they hurt themselves they'll learn not to do it again".

Most people look horrified presumably as they think a life without risk is possible if you try hard enough. It seems to be the prevailing attitude in the UK and IMO it breeds mediocrity and failure in the end.

Amen :T

steadysaver

ad9898 wrote: »

This is where the money will come from -

Mr Brown

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Alistar I need another billion
Mr Darling

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Gordon I dont have it.
Mr Brown

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Well you had better find it from somewhere or I'm history
Mr Darling

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<under his breath> Thank f**k for that.
Mr Brown

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What was that Darling ?
Mr Darling

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Nothing, I'll see if there is anything else I can fleece the taxpayer for
Mr Brown

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Good, get straight to it....... now I must get "on with doing the job"........<looks in the mirror>, christ I'm looking old.

I remember a song from the end of an episode of Bremner, Bird and Fortune that seems quite apt...... (to the tune of theres a hole in my bucket)

Theres a hole in my Budget dear brown, dear brown
Then fix it, dear darling, dear darling

You get the idea

neverdespairgirl

Generali wrote: »

I let my small kids jump off things. People say, "Watch out (s)he'll fall."

I reply, "If they hurt themselves they'll learn not to do it again".

I agree, and do the same - assuming you mean small walls, not Beachy Head (-:

tomstickland

Generali wrote: »

We're building up some terrible problems in this country by not exposing people to risk.
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Most people look horrified presumably as they think a life without risk is possible if you try hard enough. It seems to be the prevailing attitude in the UK and IMO it breeds mediocrity and failure in the end.

Absolutely. There seems to be a moronic assumption sweeping through everything that all it takes is a change in a rule or regulation and something suddenly becomes absolutely safe. It encourages even more moronic behaviour from those who are then shocked that some things still carry some risk.

Generali

I do mean small walls, chairs etc. My eldest started playing with stinging nettles the other week, he'll think about whether the reward is worth it next time! We had some tears but nothing worse and now he knows and has learned a lesson he wouldn't from me merely saying "No!".

If we protect people (not just the young) from the consequences of their actions then they don't have limits on their actions. If you smoke a million fags a day or stuff your face with cake or spend all day taking drugs and get some terrible disease as a result you get extra benefits and all your medical bills paid. I have no problem with people doing dumb things - I do dumb things all the time! I just object to having to pay for the results.

It seems from the latest announcements from the government that if you take out a mortgage you can't afford then the Government will buy some of the house from you so you can live there with the taxpayers paying some of the bills. If you lose your job why take out insurance to pay the mortgage or even have any savings? The Government wil start to pay your interest bills before banks start reposession procedings.

Didn't Blair 'n' Brown used to bang on about no rights without responsibilities? It seems to me that we are creating a society where nobody is responsible apart from the poor schmuck that can be sued.

neverdespairgirl

tomstickland wrote: »

Absolutely. There seems to be a moronic assumption sweeping through everything that all it takes is a change in a rule or regulation and something suddenly becomes absolutely safe. It encourages even more moronic behaviour from those who are then shocked that some things still carry some risk.

"if it saves just one child......"

jojo2004

Generali wrote: »

If we protect people (not just the young) from the consequences of their actions then they don't have limits on their actions. If you smoke a million fags a day or stuff your face with cake or spend all day taking drugs and get some terrible disease as a result you get extra benefits and all your medical bills paid. I have no problem with people doing dumb things - I do dumb things all the time! I just object to having to pay for the results.


Didn't Blair 'n' Brown used to bang on about no rights without responsibilities? It seems to me that we are creating a society where nobody is responsible apart from the poor schmuck that can be sued.

SOOOOOO true - if you have "an accident at work" (and there are days when I've actually prayed for one of these) because you are too stupid to notice that the floor is slippery, and you can't pay your bills because you spend all your money and have no savings - then it should be tough blimmin luck, not twleve thousand quid. I live on twelve thousand quid a YEAR. Apparently, this is the punishment you get for having a dose of common sense (and good enough eyesight not to trip over plastic strapping in the workplace - yes, I do watch daytime tv...)
BTW - just started reading this forum and you guys are hilarious. Thank you for making me snort with laughter. xx

baby_boomer

The Telegraph has discovered where the money is coming from to pointlessly prop up an ailing housing market

Gordon is going to milk the poor!

"....From October 6, the maximum period that many means-tested benefits can be backdated will be cut from one year to three months. This may sound innocuous enough until you consider that the charity Age Concern estimates the total unclaimed value of pension credit, housing benefit and council tax benefit amounts to £5bn a year........ ........During the most recent year for which there are official figures, the average value of backdated claims was £700. Cutting the maximum period of backdating to a quarter of its current level will slash that to nearer £175....."

Gordon's "relaunch" doesn't look like it is going to get off the ground / out of the harbour .

pickles110564

Actually I heard a whisper that he is going to heavily tax anyone with savings over 20 grand and any over 30 grand he will be allowed to take a 5% cut each year.
This way he will be able to prop up the people who have already bought and can not keep up with thier mortgage payments.
He has definately got my vote on this one.:beer:

Bf109

baby_boomer wrote: »

It's fairly small beer. Certainly nothing that's going to make any difference to the housing market.

Well under 1p on income tax.

And a pittance compared to the national debt.

No it isnt a pittance!

This is the problem with this country. The government squanders billions of £s as if it were that 1p coin thats rolled into the storm drain and isnt worth a second thought.

Well let me remenind you of something:

£1,000,000,000.00 is not a pittance!