Professional kitchen fitted - Part P certificate?

mrsw

A friend recently had a new kitchen fitted by a kitchen company. They supplied all the tradesmen and before they started, they recommended that she have a new consumer unit fitted, which she did, using their electrician. A different electrician turned up to do the work in the kitchen (sockets, spotlights etc). Now everything is complete, neither electrician wants to issue a Part P certificate for the kitchen because they won't certify the other person's work. :mad:

My question is, does she need a Part P certificate? The kitchen company seem to be washing their hands of this matter because they say the electricians were paid by my friend and so it's her job to sort them out. This doesn't sound right to me.

Sorry, I forgot to add, turns put the electrician who changed the consumer board isn't Part P registered! His son, who is registered, would have to sign the certificate...is this legal?

flang

Any electrical work involving changing fuse boards, adding spurs, light fittings etc should have a part P, otherwise you may have problems when selling your house.
I believe the only thing that doesn’t require a part P is changing existing switches, lights etc

Canucklehead

Good afternoon: You can find more info on Part P Building Regulations here

HTH

Canucklehead

majjie

Yes, she needs a Part P ... all work in a kitchen needs one ... as well as the work that flang mentioned.

Yes, it's legal for someone who is Part P registered to sign off someone else's work - but they'd have to check it first.

I'd chase the kitchen company, if they advertise that they arrange electrical work. The electricians are more likely to worry about upsetting the kitchen company than an individual.

baldelectrician

Part P is a bit of a diversion here

Each electrician should supply a BS7671 certificate for each part of the job; that way they are certifying their OWN work.

The kitchen guy should supply a certificate for each circuit he worked on, and the electrician that changed the consumer unit should supply a EI(Electrical Installation Certificate) for the consumer unit change

Perez

baldelectrician wrote: »

Part P is a bit of a diversion here

Each electrician should supply a BS7671 certificate for each part of the job; that way they are certifying their OWN work.

The kitchen guy should supply a certificate for each circuit he worked on, and the electrician that changed the consumer unit should supply a EI(Electrical Installation Certificate) for the consumer unit change

Hi baldelectrician,

I sent you a PM also but thought I'd post my question here too... regarding Part P certification... I have a mate who has offered to wire in a new cooker point + oven for me, and he can give me a BS7671 certificate but not a Part P as his company isn't registered for this - assume this is because they don't generally do domestic work.

I would really appreciate any advice you can give as to whether I need to get someone to subsequently check and certify to issue a part P, or whether the BS7671 certificate is sufficient so I don't have problems when renting out/selling my house in future?

Any advice much appreciated!

baldelectrician

As far as Part P goes (useless legislation) there is no requirement for a Part P cert for a straight change over. A BS7671 cert should, however be issued.

Call your local council (or email them so you have a tracable reply) and they will give you a definative answer.

A new circuit would fall under the spell of Part P.

It would maybe be prudent to have the job done and certified by a competent installer as there would be insurances in place, as well as some form of redress.

I would also check what your landlord insurance states- they may specify a minimum standard that any contractor would have to reach.

Perez

Thanks for the swift reply - very helpful, I'll speak to my local council and see what they have to say.

kaya

so much panic to comply, when you buy a house do you ask the seller how old each electrical fitting is, when it was fitted and by whom?, in truth nobody gives a stuff, when i sell my property i dont expect to be asked who fitted my fusebox and when by prospective buyers and i doubt i would, the scheme was designed to get rid of cowboys but has backfired, if you know that the person fitting it is competant why do you need a certificate? This country has gone bonkers, you need a certificate to install double glazing now

madjay

It has not backfire its to stop DIY no it alls and cowboys from working on something the do no understand. It was put in place to protect the client not the the electrician. If someone dies from a faulty installation it is the Sparky or as people keep saying on this Forum "a competant person" who can be prosecuted and face being sent to prison. So think twice before you go playing about electric beause you thimk its easy. There is consequences if you get it wrong.

wallbash

I agree with kaya, have recently ( past four weeks) bought and sold houses, did I care a stuff about a piece of paper?

Lets be real, 99% of houses/sellers wont have the paperwork... they won't have recent work. Its all down to buyer beware.