Got sacked. Unfair dismissal? Please read!

Soubrette

Rimnerel wrote: »

Okay.. I see. Well, I started this work in June. It's not the third month yet and I got sacked today. I suppose I could probably go to that office then although it sounds kinda scary, lol. O_o

The company I worked for is in Manchester. They own a shop there and they employ tarot readers to work for them. But aren't self-employed people supposed to be their own bosses or something? Anyways.. it's probably not my business anymore but I kind of wondered why they wouldn't take the responsibility and pay the tax for their tarot readers? Either they're too lazy or can't be bothered to do that or they have some other serious reason.. or something. Or maybe they want their readers to pay their own tax so that they could be classified as self-employed even though they had a contract of employment and are basically treated like employers? Because.. self-employed people can't be sacked can they? Unless they sack themselves, lol.

Ugh.. I'm confused. *shakes head*

It doesn't really matter whether you or the company believe you to be self employed or employed - it matters what the Revenue think.

In your situation it seems that you don't need to worry about the three months deadline for registering as self employed so if I were in your position I would phone the tax line in the link in my previous post and ask for their advice. I would probably say something like...my employers have advised me to register as self employed but I think I may be employed, and then take it from there.

Don't forget though that if any of your other jobs are self employed then you should have been registered as self employed within 3 months of starting them.

I believe that as you've been with that company for less than a year, you are likely to have no rights as an employee either (unless dismissal was due to race or disability), but I'm not 100% sure of that. If I am right then this means that you will gain no benefit from pursuing whether you are employed or self employed but you may have the satisfaction of seeing the company you worked for 'punished'.

It is a confusing area which is why it's best not to worry about it yourself - the choice for you at the moment is 1. to let it go or 2. speak to the tax office.

Sou

Rimnerel

Soubrette wrote: »

It doesn't really matter whether you or the company believe you to be self employed or employed - it matters what the Revenue think.

In your situation it seems that you don't need to worry about the three months deadline for registering as self employed so if I were in your position I would phone the tax line in the link in my previous post and ask for their advice. I would probably say something like...my employers have advised me to register as self employed but I think I may be employed, and then take it from there.

Don't forget though that if any of your other jobs are self employed then you should have been registered as self employed within 3 months of starting them.

I believe that as you've been with that company for less than a year, you are likely to have no rights as an employee either (unless dismissal was due to race or disability), but I'm not 100% sure of that. If I am right then this means that you will gain no benefit from pursuing whether you are employed or self employed but you may have the satisfaction of seeing the company you worked for 'punished'.

It is a confusing area which is why it's best not to worry about it yourself - the choice for you at the moment is 1. to let it go or 2. speak to the tax office.

Sou

*sighs* Okay, I suppose the best thing to do is just let it go and forget about it. But hey, at least I learnt one thing or two. Thanks for the info.

dmg24

Rimnerel wrote: »

I'm fairly new to this so bear with me please.

I was self-employed in the sense that I had to pay my own tax since the company wasn't responsible for that. Although I never got paid enough to pay tax anyway. But still, self-employed or not does what my boss did to me sound justified or right to you? So me having "no rights" since I'm self-employed means that I can just be treated like crap by any company and not be allowed to stand up for myself? Or what the hell??
And I DID have a contract with this company if you didn't notice the fact that I kind of mentioned it in my first post and as far as I'm concerned having a contract means I DO have rights since most people with contracts are known as "employees" if I'm not mistaken although the company called us self-employed just because of the tax thing.. Besides, this was not my OWN business. I was not in charge of this company or anything. I was treated like an "employee" EXCEPT for tax. That's it.

How rude! :rolleyes:

tomstickland

Rimnerel wrote: »

No need to be nasty here just because you hate premium rate numbers or don't believe in tarot.

I don't think it was particularly nasty; it was just a cheap joke, and exactly what I thought TBH.

The OP has essentially been working for a premium rate telephone service. I doubt that any sensible person "believes" in Tarot.

jobbingmusician

It does sound as if the Inland Revenue might possibly consider you an employee.

Did you work the same hours every day?

Whilst you have a good attitude, in being prepared to let it go, it would be satisfying to stitch them up, wouldn't it? If the Inland Revenue decided you were an employee, you might well have a case for breach of contract or something like that if they did not follow their own disciplinary procedure. Ring the Revenue and check!

Rimnerel

Yeah, a cheap NASTY joke that sounded sarcastic. Take your sarcasm somewhere else, thank you.

And as for personal beliefs that is a whole different subject. A person's sensibility has nothing to do with it. It is merely faith, open-mindedness and understanding.
Although quite honestly I couldn't really care less what you think anyway.

Rimnerel

jobbingmusician wrote: »

It does sound as if the Inland Revenue might possibly consider you an employee.

Did you work the same hours every day?

Whilst you have a good attitude, in being prepared to let it go, it would be satisfying to stitch them up, wouldn't it? If the Inland Revenue decided you were an employee, you might well have a case for breach of contract or something like that if they did not follow their own disciplinary procedure. Ring the Revenue and check!

Finally, someone less nasty and more reasonable replied to this thread. Thank you for the info although I have decided to let go of this case for now. Better not waste my nerves on this anymore and just accept the fact that life sucks sometimes and people can be real a-holes to you.

Rimnerel

dmg24 wrote: »

How rude! :rolleyes:

If you don't have anything else smarter to say then please do not reply to my thread. Thanks.

Incisor

Rimnerel wrote: »

If you don't have anything else smarter to say then please do not reply to my thread. Thanks.

Your thread? Listen here! This is the world wide internet, and if you post, anyone and everyone can have their say - and they frequently do - and there is nowt you can do to stop it.

Rimnerel

Incisor wrote: »

Your thread? Listen here! This is the world wide internet, and if you post, anyone and everyone can have their say - and they frequently do - and there is nowt you can do to stop it.

Oh, right. Spam away then but I ain't gonna read them unless they have something sensible/reasonable/helpful to say regarding employment, working, rights etc other than some sarcastic comments or no respect for other people's beliefs.