Bangernomics: Is this the cheapest possible motoring?

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I travel about 20,000 miles a year and need to do so as economically as possible consistent with moderate reliability.

For the last several years I have bought cars off ebay for around £200* with at least 6 months MOT, then run them until they break or the MOT runs out; repeat as required. I don't spend any money** on them, other than petrol and tax. I do have an AA card, with Relay, which I have used 4 times in the last year, including one relay home, and I'm not too bothered about breaking down occasionally - just get the car to the scrappy and buy another (if I haven't already got one sitting on the drive).

Does anyone have a more economical option? Current average annual cost is £600 plus petrol and tax. Of course, depending on the car, petrol consumption may be better or worse. Worst was 31mpg, currently well over 45mpg on an N reg Toyota Primera.


* best buy was £125 plus a new battery; worst was £475 for a car I scrapped after 3 months

** I did spend on this one: £20 for a part worn tyre at the scrappy, then £132 for a new waterpump - which has almost doubled its value ;-) But that's only because its a solid beast and my friendly mechanic reckons it will whizz the MOT in June.

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  • Conor_3
    Conor_3 Posts: 6,944 Forumite
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    If you get a good reliable one, MOT it and keep using it until the MOT costs more than £250. I once bought a Rover 416 from auction for £100. Had it for 2 years and sold it to my brother who used it for another 18 months. It's replacement was a Rover 600 bought with no MOT from a dealer for £500 which just needed a rear silencer for test. I had that for 18 months and my brother still has it 2 years later.

    No need to get rid of them just because the MOT expires. If you want true bangernomics, MOT it and keep using it.
  • sarahemmm
    sarahemmm Posts: 116 Forumite
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    Conor wrote: »
    If you get a good reliable one, MOT it and keep using it until the MOT costs more than £250. I once bought a Rover 416 from auction for £100.

    I've found that, every time I spend something on a car, something much more expensive goes wrong soon after - last year I was foolish enough to put my Omega through, then it blew the head gasket 3 weeks later :( So I'm not really expecting this one to do well - in fact I'm keeping an eye on ebay now.

    I guess if I was a mechanic, that would be sound advice - it just hasn't worked for me (even though I have a pretty cheap mechanic on tap).

    I haven't got round to going to auctions, mainly because I'm away from home all week and it would be a bit awkward. How can I tell which auctions are for the cheap and cheerful end of the market? And do they go much cheaper than on ebay?
  • avantra
    avantra Posts: 1,327 Forumite
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    I think you are on the right direction,

    1. You don't care which car you drive - correct?
    2. It got to have 4 wheels - correct?
    3. It needs to take you from A2B and that's all -correct?

    Ok, I don't think you can do much better than this, £600+fuel is bril!:T

    What u can do IMHO (so you will not be on first name terms with the AA man) is to sit a bit on the net and do some research on ' Which Banger' :rotfl: As a starting point :In general cars from the mid 90's are better all round for reliability and now falls into bangernomics territory, another point is to look for anything made by japanese or German makers, they use to make solid cars in the 90's early 00.

    By reading drivers reviews on Parkers you can get a good feeling of what to look for and what to leave. As I am in the same boat as you I found out these cars especially good value in the £200 to 900:

    1. Diesel Rovers (or anything with the Rover L type engine) . These cars have old but proven technology in them. (but stay away of petrol Rovers)
    2. Nissans like the Almera and the Primera are good but it looks like they start to rust now
    3. Honda Civic and Accord from 1995 and on, should be mostly solid and easy to sort out.
    4. The ugly Proton Mpi , it's an old Mitubishi underneath
    5. Old VW polo (pre 1995)

    Tha'ts about it from what I can recall but others will probably can add to this list.
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  • anewman
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    I currently have a Skoda Favorit Estate 1994 and have had it just over a year, probably worth less than £100 realistically. Just about to have an MOT retest but only failed on rear bearing adjustment (my fault as I replaced the bearings myself) and a corroded brake pipe. MOT's always seem to bring up brake pipes so I am considering getting myself a flaring kit, handful of unions and a roll of pipe.

    This is the best approach to motoring IMO. I can't understand why people with financial difficulties won't go for anything under a few thousand and get expensive credit to add to the cost of motoring and their other debts. There seems to be some unreasonable assumption of old or high mileage = crap and not worth bothering with. Or just the choice to have something with a nice badge and the latest reg to show off to people and keep up with the Jones's.

    Like Conor says, I would try take care of the cars, put them through the MOT and you might be suprised at how little it costs to get through the MOT. An N reg primera is definitely worth keeping a couple of years at least - I can't imagine the headgasket will go on it.

    I personally think the absolute ultimate way is to make the next car the same as the last one and strip the old one of all the good bits before scrapping it, but that's of course more for the mechanically minded.
  • AdrianHi
    AdrianHi Posts: 2,228 Forumite
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    One of my little hobbies is examining what the real cost of any given car as an average monthly expense over the period I have the use of it in great detail. Sometimes doing this tells me to sell on a car just before it gets out of manufacturers warranty for a nearly new one under warranty, because for certain cars holding their value well (e.g. BMW, Mini, Audi, Skoda) in the long run it using it 6 to 36 months old is cheaper on average per month than keeping it in year 4. This is down to year 4 depreciation not being that different from average of months 6 to 36, but in year 4 you have MOT, breakdown cover, extended warranty (or take the risk), later more expensive services, you don't start out with nearly new tyres, older potentially less economical engine - to pay out for. Anyone keeping a Mini from month 37 onwards is not doing their sums properly, it's cheaper to sell it privately and buy a brand new one, they hold their value so well (69% residual after 3 years!!!). What this really means is they are not actually worth what people will pay at 3 years old.

    I also use the same technique for looking at older and invariably less economical cars, because sometimes you can find an old interesting but very low mileage car for not too much money that does not have too much to loose in depreciation.

    All this leads me to a conclusion - if you can deal with the potential unreliability of a car costing £200 to buy which you toss in the bin if it breaks, it is the absolute cheapest way to have the use of a car because of nearly zero depreciation.

    I cannot do this myself because visits to the garage or not getting to work due to breakdown looses me enough money (self employed) to make it worth paying the depreciation costs of younger cars, plus I don;t have time to shop for a car every 6 months.

    Looks like £200 cars work for you, so stick with it.
  • sarahemmm
    sarahemmm Posts: 116 Forumite
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    Thanks, all! I guess I'm too lazy to spend much time working out potential cost savings on one car v another, plus of course, I get what I can find. But the list of reliable bangers is really helpful to bear in mind next time. I would agree about trying to go with the same model, but again its not that easy.
  • want2bmortgage3
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    I would recommend older VW Golf or polo... they seem to go on forever and don't rust a lot. The Mk2 Golf will do 200k+ miles easily (mines on 231k), or the polo estate/coupe will cost even less due to smaller engines.

    If you go for a Golf between 1988-1992 then the only small engine option is a 1.3 which is sluggish, and I dont think as reliable as the bigger engines. So I'd pay the extra in tax and get a 1.6 or 1.8i GTI. Surprisingly the GTi 8v is no worse on fuel than a 1.6 due to being injection. 40mpg is easily possible on motorways/a-roads. You could go for a Mk3 Golf where there is a 1.4i engine as they have come down in price.

    The polos were a bit boxy before 1991 but you can get a 1.0 engine which is great on fuel, or a 1.3 with a bit more power. The look improved a bit between '91 and '94 and the coupe version is quite good looking. Again you could get a newer one 94 onwards in a 1.0 engine which still looks modern and can be had quite cheap now (around £5-600)

    I agree with your way of doing things... while you have a big mortgage to try and reduce how can you be happy wasting money on a car you dont need? I'm going to do the same as you and buy sub-£500 cars off ebay whenever my current car becomes uneconomical to repair..
  • Inactive
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    sarahemmm wrote: »
    . Worst was 31mpg, currently well over 45mpg on an N reg Toyota Primera.





    Which I suspect is actually a Nissan Primera.;)
  • k18dan
    k18dan Posts: 295 Forumite
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    I have done the same for the last few years, I have my weekend toy that sits in the garage during the week, but for a general weekly/work runabout I get a banger from the auctions/ebay, First off I bought a pug 205 for £250 run around for 14 months, Had one MOT early on, which it went straight through, aprt from that spent nothing else on it, sold it for £250, Now I have a mk6 1995 Escort 1.8 TD LX picked up for £500 with 1 years MOT, lost of service history, good tyres, I have had that 15 months so far, it has gone through one MOT which needed 2x bushes and 2x typre which i got really cheap, when she finally breaks she will be scraped and I will pick up another off ebay..
  • sarahemmm
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    Inactive wrote: »
    Which I suspect is actually a Nissan Primera.;)

    Indeed - I tend to forget what it is I'm driving, or else it was a senior moment -- take your pick!
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