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    • sunshine79
    • By sunshine79 10th Feb 18, 9:14 PM
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    EDF wont give us a smart meter...
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    • 10th Feb 18, 9:14 PM
    EDF wont give us a smart meter... 10th Feb 18 at 9:14 PM
    Hi,

    We moved house in November and brought our existing energy deal with us (as it was the cheapest through the energy saving club ), but EDF firstly said that the smart meter might not be compatible with our house (?) the next excuse was they didn't have enough smart meters, then they are not installing them locally at the moment and the most recent excuse being:

    'because not all smart meters are compatible with all energy suppliers. Your meter will operate as a traditional meter and therefore we'll contact you to ask for a meter reading. If we're unable to obtain a reading from you we'll send you an estimated bill.'

    We have a house that we are renovating over time and therefore it is not very energy efficient. For the last 53 days, our bill was £480 We will be replacing the windows and heating system, but for the time being, we really need to keep an eye on what's using the energy and at the moment, we can't tell if something is running constantly without us knowing!

    We'd be grateful if anyone else has had a similar experience and what you did to get a smart meter.

    Thanks for your time in advance.
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    • molerat
    • By molerat 10th Feb 18, 9:40 PM
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    • 10th Feb 18, 9:40 PM
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    • 10th Feb 18, 9:40 PM
    Read the meter yourself just like in the old days. Not difficult (well it is a bit more difficult with a smart meter). If it is high electric consumption you are worrying about get a cheap clamp on energy monitor from Ebay. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wireless-Energy-LCD-Monitor-Smart-Electricity-Home-House-Usage-Meter-Monitoring/351988974446?hash=item51f42d836e:g:QS4AAOSwOgdYrg8 y
    Last edited by molerat; 10-02-2018 at 9:44 PM.
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    • caeler
    • By caeler 10th Feb 18, 9:42 PM
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    • 10th Feb 18, 9:42 PM
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    • 10th Feb 18, 9:42 PM
    I don't wish to sound rude (but I might) but why can't you just take regular meter readings?


    I take monthly meter readings which I log on a simple spreadsheet where I log units and cost. Then I can keep an eye on anything unusual. You could start with weekly readings so you could monitor your usage then ease off as things settle.
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    • Hengus
    • By Hengus 11th Feb 18, 9:12 AM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 9:12 AM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 9:12 AM
    Hi,

    We moved house in November and brought our existing energy deal with us (as it was the cheapest through the energy saving club ), but EDF firstly said that the smart meter might not be compatible with our house (?) the next excuse was they didn't have enough smart meters, then they are not installing them locally at the moment and the most recent excuse being:

    'because not all smart meters are compatible with all energy suppliers. Your meter will operate as a traditional meter and therefore we'll contact you to ask for a meter reading. If we're unable to obtain a reading from you we'll send you an estimated bill.'

    We have a house that we are renovating over time and therefore it is not very energy efficient. For the last 53 days, our bill was £480 We will be replacing the windows and heating system, but for the time being, we really need to keep an eye on what's using the energy and at the moment, we can't tell if something is running constantly without us knowing!

    We'd be grateful if anyone else has had a similar experience and what you did to get a smart meter.

    Thanks for your time in advance.
    Originally posted by sunshine79
    Suppliers are not obliged to install or change smart meters on demand. The problem with SMETS1 meters is that, for the moment, they are supplier dependent. Plans are in train to modify these meters such that they can be 'adopted' by The Data Communications Company. As others have suggested: buy a cheap energy monitor. I use an optical spot meter reader on my gas supply which provides me with 15 minute usage readings.
    • deanos
    • By deanos 11th Feb 18, 1:35 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 1:35 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 1:35 PM
    cant you just buy one of those energy monitor things you attach to the mains supply ?
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONZO-Smart-Energy-Electricity-Monitor-Starter-Pack-Usage-Meter-NEW-Boxed/371873168952?hash=item56955e3e38:m:mA3LieYwhopipFi nCBRc37g
    • Anthorn
    • By Anthorn 11th Feb 18, 2:14 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 2:14 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 2:14 PM
    Hi,

    We moved house in November and brought our existing energy deal with us (as it was the cheapest through the energy saving club ), but EDF firstly said that the smart meter might not be compatible with our house (?) the next excuse was they didn't have enough smart meters, then they are not installing them locally at the moment and the most recent excuse being:

    'because not all smart meters are compatible with all energy suppliers. Your meter will operate as a traditional meter and therefore we'll contact you to ask for a meter reading. If we're unable to obtain a reading from you we'll send you an estimated bill.'

    We have a house that we are renovating over time and therefore it is not very energy efficient. For the last 53 days, our bill was £480 We will be replacing the windows and heating system, but for the time being, we really need to keep an eye on what's using the energy and at the moment, we can't tell if something is running constantly without us knowing!

    We'd be grateful if anyone else has had a similar experience and what you did to get a smart meter.

    Thanks for your time in advance.
    Originally posted by sunshine79
    Looks to be an industry-wide problem that if you already have a smart meter installed by a past supplier you can't have a new one from your current supplier. That applies to me too: I moved into a property in October 2017 which already has BG smart prepayment meters which BG set to credit mode when I switched which are now dumb meters. Scottish Power refuse to install their smart meters. We also have First Utility who refuse their cheapest tariff which requires their smart meter if you already have a smart meter.

    Go figure: These smart meters are a total and complete shambles but expensive shambles.
    • Carrot007
    • By Carrot007 11th Feb 18, 2:18 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 2:18 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 2:18 PM
    Looks to be an industry-wide problem that if you already have a smart meter installed by a past supplier you can't have a new one from your current supplier. That applies to me too: I moved into a property in October 2017 which already has BG smart prepayment meters which BG set to credit mode when I switched which are now dumb meters. Scottish Power refuse to install their smart meters. We also have First Utility who refuse their cheapest tariff which requires their smart meter if you already have a smart meter.

    Go figure: These smart meters are a total and complete shambles but expensive shambles.
    Originally posted by Anthorn
    I'd guess replacing old smart meters is low priority as the government mandate likely just counts smart meters not whether they are working.

    As such replacing a meter will not help their targets.
    • House Martin
    • By House Martin 11th Feb 18, 3:17 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 3:17 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 3:17 PM
    Suppliers are not obliged to install or change smart meters on demand. The problem with SMETS1 meters is that, for the moment, they are supplier dependent. Plans are in train to modify these meters such that they can be 'adopted' by The Data Communications Company. As others have suggested: buy a cheap energy monitor. I use an optical spot meter reader on my gas supply which provides me with 15 minute usage readings.
    Originally posted by Hengus
    I m not sure if its still in place but it was legal for a consumer to buy their own energy meter and install it at their expense by approved fitters. That go s for both gas and electric meters.
    So if the OP wants one, get one bought and installed themselves and registered.
    Someones flogging a brand new British Gas smart meter on Ebay now for just £10..bargain !
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/British-Gas-smart-meter-/183041778011
    Last edited by House Martin; 11-02-2018 at 3:26 PM.
    • SoletraderSteve
    • By SoletraderSteve 11th Feb 18, 8:43 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 8:43 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 8:43 PM
    You have a working meter, that is far from the end of its life. The only issue you have is the SMART functionality is not compatible with the current supplier. Read your own meter, on a regular basis. Provide your supplier with these reasons and request regular bills/statements to monitor your usage.
    • zeupater
    • By zeupater 12th Feb 18, 12:32 PM
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    zeupater
    I m not sure if its still in place but it was legal for a consumer to buy their own energy meter and install it at their expense by approved fitters. That go s for both gas and electric meters.
    So if the OP wants one, get one bought and installed themselves and registered.
    Someones flogging a brand new British Gas smart meter on Ebay now for just £10..bargain !
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/British-Gas-smart-meter-/183041778011
    Originally posted by House Martin
    Hi

    Approved fitters, installation & registration .... .... from the looks of it, that's not a smart-meter, it's a British Gas EnergySmart remote monitor with a clip-on induction sensor ... as such, most competent individuals (those who can read the instruction leaflet, understand it, and follow the basic instructions!) would be able to fit it! ... that's why it's £10 !!

    The Op would be far better off with a remote monitor anyway at the moment considering the current status of the smart-metering project ... Smart-Metering: A clever green solution rapidly becoming a white elephant?
    ... we're still using one on the first generation Owl electricity monitors and it does everything we need it to do!

    HTH
    Z
    Last edited by zeupater; 12-02-2018 at 12:39 PM. Reason: added ... "that's why it's £10 !!"
    "We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
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