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    • KEV25
    • By KEV25 5th Oct 17, 8:10 AM
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    Class action against Unite Union
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    • 5th Oct 17, 8:10 AM
    Class action against Unite Union 5th Oct 17 at 8:10 AM
    Yet another round of strikes from Unite Union, a deliberate act to cause havoc for the public trying to get to work, costing us all time and money.

    I'm fed up and want to take 'action' (action is doing something, anything. Whereas strike is literally the opposite, doing nothing, but they still refer to it as industrial action) against the people who deliberately cause havoc every time they don't like something they hear. Actively encouraging financial attacks on the people of the UK, causing millions if not billions in additional costs over the past couple of years.

    The impact of strike actions isn't just a delay getting to work, it's the extra few thousand cars on the road, causing pollution and costing people extra in fuel. It's the little charges you don't initially think of, for example the usually free car park at the train station near me have all been closed as replacement busses have to turn in there, meaning the 80 people that can normally park in there all have to pay £7.50 to park. I know of someone who was on a final warning at work for being late who is now terrified she'll lose her job because the strikes have made her late. It's ridiculous and the company responsible for it is Unite Union, they arrange the strikes and car only about themselves, there is no negative repercussions for them as a result of them not doing the job they are contractually obligated to do.

    Class actions cases can now be taken where huge numbers have been impacted. It's easy to prove that Unit knew what impact their latest round of strikes would have, as that's why they did it. I would like to see every person financially impacted join together (unite, if you will) and hit the union bosses where it hurts, in their very fat wallets.
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    • soolin
    • By soolin 5th Oct 17, 9:27 AM
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    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 5th Oct 17, 9:53 AM
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    • 5th Oct 17, 9:53 AM
    Yet another round of strikes from Unite Union, a deliberate act to cause havoc for the public trying to get to work, costing us all time and money.

    I'm fed up and want to take 'action' (action is doing something, anything. Whereas strike is literally the opposite, doing nothing, but they still refer to it as industrial action) against the people who deliberately cause havoc every time they don't like something they hear. Actively encouraging financial attacks on the people of the UK, causing millions if not billions in additional costs over the past couple of years.

    The impact of strike actions isn't just a delay getting to work, it's the extra few thousand cars on the road, causing pollution and costing people extra in fuel. It's the little charges you don't initially think of, for example the usually free car park at the train station near me have all been closed as replacement busses have to turn in there, meaning the 80 people that can normally park in there all have to pay £7.50 to park. I know of someone who was on a final warning at work for being late who is now terrified she'll lose her job because the strikes have made her late. It's ridiculous and the company responsible for it is Unite Union, they arrange the strikes and car only about themselves, there is no negative repercussions for them as a result of them not doing the job they are contractually obligated to do.

    Class actions cases can now be taken where huge numbers have been impacted. It's easy to prove that Unit knew what impact their latest round of strikes would have, as that's why they did it. I would like to see every person financially impacted join together (unite, if you will) and hit the union bosses where it hurts, in their very fat wallets.
    Originally posted by KEV25


    Ye, except where's your contract?........
    • Manxman in exile
    • By Manxman in exile 5th Oct 17, 11:01 AM
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    What would be the legal basis for your action? TUs have immunity carrying out industrial action otherwise employers would already be suing them for inducing breaches of contract.
    Last edited by Manxman in exile; 05-10-2017 at 11:06 AM. Reason: add
    • 00ec25
    • By 00ec25 5th Oct 17, 12:44 PM
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    • 5th Oct 17, 12:44 PM
    would be interesting to know why you think Unite is responsible for the rail disruption caused by the RMT?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/england

    or do you mean a different set of strikes?
    http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/?page=1
    • bris
    • By bris 6th Oct 17, 9:36 PM
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    So you think it's OK for large corporations to walk all over their employees without any consequence?
    • Manxman in exile
    • By Manxman in exile 6th Oct 17, 11:27 PM
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    So you think it's OK for large corporations to walk all over their employees without any consequence?
    Originally posted by bris

    Yes he does, plus, he's not in a union. Well I hope he's not in a union...
    • deannatrois
    • By deannatrois 8th Oct 17, 5:36 AM
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    Hopefully the OP was looking for a rant rather than actually carrying out any action, which would be extremely difficult. When one person is accusing someone/something else of selfishness, I always wonder if they have heard the 'pot kettle black' saying. Does the OP know anything about why the strike has been called, do they not realise that these people must feel very strongly to lose wages to make their point?

    Having worked for several employers who ride rough shod over employees I very much regret the lack of power Unions have, inspite of having lived through the days when it seemed like every week we had days without electricity, bread etc. That was getting stupid, but now, its not the same situation.
    • KEV25
    • By KEV25 30th Oct 17, 11:44 AM
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    Ye, except where's your contract?........
    Originally posted by Comms69
    I don't have one, but then you don't need one to sue someone... That's the whole point of the post, people who use public transport are being negatively impacted by a organisation that they have no relationship with. Would you let a company park their delivery van in front of your house every day, preventing you from getting to work? I assume you'd have to, as there's nothing you could do... you have no contract with them
    • KEV25
    • By KEV25 30th Oct 17, 11:49 AM
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    What would be the legal basis for your action? TUs have immunity carrying out industrial action otherwise employers would already be suing them for inducing breaches of contract.
    Originally posted by Manxman in exile
    Immunity is with their employer and employee, not with the individuals that are actually impacted. It prevents companies from sacking or negatively treating people who take industrial action. It does not cover the negative impact on 3rd parties. The legal basis is what would have to be decided which is why I posted the question, it doesn't seem right that a group or organisation can knowingly and willingly, negatively impact another group of people for the purposes of their own gain, which is exactly what industrial action is. It hurts their employer by hurting their customers.

    Companies have a legal obligation to pay employees when they take a day or two off work (strike) but who covers the other costs? Why should a rail company pay for my taxi because their staff all took the day off? Why should a person go overdrawn because a cheque was not delivered because the mail delivery company were on strike? Why should a parent lose a days pay because they had to take a day off because their nursery went on strike?
    • KEV25
    • By KEV25 30th Oct 17, 11:58 AM
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    So you think it's OK for large corporations to walk all over their employees without any consequence?
    Originally posted by bris
    Many things wrong with this statement:

    - First of all, the implication that only employees of large companies strike, this is wrong, or are you stating that only certain groups of people can strike and one of those criteria is that they work for a 'large company'? Define 'large'.

    - Second, 'Walk all over' implies that there is a wrong and right party in contract negotiations, which there isn't. But say there was, strike action is part of the contract negotiation process, and so by definition, as the outcome has not yet been reached, you cannot assume either party is yet right or wrong.

    - Third, 'without any consequences'. Why should the public, who have nothing to do with the person striking, receive the negative consequences of the industrial actions? Would it be ok if, instead of sentencing repeat offenders to prison, they jailed their loved ones? It would probably have a bigger impact if they loved them... But is obviously a stupid idea, but that's the idea you're implying. Negatively impact a 3rd party to get at your enemy...
    • KEV25
    • By KEV25 30th Oct 17, 12:04 PM
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    Hopefully the OP was looking for a rant rather than actually carrying out any action, which would be extremely difficult. When one person is accusing someone/something else of selfishness, I always wonder if they have heard the 'pot kettle black' saying. Does the OP know anything about why the strike has been called, do they not realise that these people must feel very strongly to lose wages to make their point?

    Having worked for several employers who ride rough shod over employees I very much regret the lack of power Unions have, inspite of having lived through the days when it seemed like every week we had days without electricity, bread etc. That was getting stupid, but now, its not the same situation.
    Originally posted by deannatrois
    The reason is irrelevant to me as, as others have stated on here, I have no contract with a union at all. Why should I care if someone doesn't think they're getting enough tea breaks or if they want more time off? The facts are, a unions way of getting back at a company is to get at its customers. Which should be illegal. Your comment about worked for employers who 'shod over' employees is irrelevant, if your'e not happy with your working conditions deal with it, just don't impact me or others, it's extremely selfish. If you're too weak to prove why you're worth paying for by a big company that's your issue but blackmailing them into giving you what you want by targeting the public is moronic and shortsighted. I know it's sad that 'sometimes we had no bread' but your solution appears to be, to prevent many thousands of others from getting bread until your employer submits and gives you what you want. Crazy idea but... companies really value people who are really good at their job, not those who take the day off to get paid more.
    • Twopints
    • By Twopints 30th Oct 17, 12:07 PM
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    Well done you. So what have you done about it?
    Not even wrong
    • martindow
    • By martindow 31st Oct 17, 11:53 AM
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    Companies have a legal obligation to pay employees when they take a day or two off work (strike)
    Originally posted by KEV25
    I don't think so. I was certainly docked pay when I was on strike for a couple of afternoons. The county council didn't pay a proportion of that month's salary.
    • bingo bango
    • By bingo bango 31st Oct 17, 2:33 PM
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    Never paid me for strike days either. Also make it clear that strike days do not count towards my pension so each strike day means I need to work an extra day before collecting my pension.

    But my favourite part is this bit:
    Why should I care if someone doesn't think they're getting enough tea breaks or if they want more time off? The facts are, a unions way of getting back at a company is to get at its customers. Which should be illegal. Your comment about worked for employers who 'shod over' employees is irrelevant, if your'e not happy with your working conditions deal with it, just don't impact me or others, it's extremely selfish.
    by KEV25
    And still thinks he is going to elicit sympathy
    • lincroft1710
    • By lincroft1710 31st Oct 17, 5:32 PM
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    I don't think so. I was certainly docked pay when I was on strike for a couple of afternoons. The county council didn't pay a proportion of that month's salary.
    Originally posted by martindow
    I thought OP was talking rubbish but then a thought occurred. Does he mean that companies are obliged to pay employees who are prevented from attending their work place due to strike action by others.

    I still think he's on to a loser
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 3rd Nov 17, 12:18 PM
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    I don't have one, but then you don't need one to sue someone... That's the whole point of the post, people who use public transport are being negatively impacted by a organisation that they have no relationship with. Would you let a company park their delivery van in front of your house every day, preventing you from getting to work? I assume you'd have to, as there's nothing you could do... you have no contract with them
    Originally posted by KEV25


    Parking across a dropped kerb is a criminal offence.


    Your argument just failed.


    You can sue for a number of reasons, but unfortunately you cannot sue for someone exercising a legal right.
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 3rd Nov 17, 12:20 PM
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    The reason is irrelevant to me as, as others have stated on here, I have no contract with a union at all. Why should I care if someone doesn't think they're getting enough tea breaks or if they want more time off? The facts are, a unions way of getting back at a company is to get at its customers. Which should be illegal. Your comment about worked for employers who 'shod over' employees is irrelevant, if your'e not happy with your working conditions deal with it, just don't impact me or others, it's extremely selfish. If you're too weak to prove why you're worth paying for by a big company that's your issue but blackmailing them into giving you what you want by targeting the public is moronic and shortsighted. I know it's sad that 'sometimes we had no bread' but your solution appears to be, to prevent many thousands of others from getting bread until your employer submits and gives you what you want. Crazy idea but... companies really value people who are really good at their job, not those who take the day off to get paid more.
    Originally posted by KEV25
    But it isn't illegal.
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 3rd Nov 17, 7:57 PM
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    Speaking as a UNITE official, I am absolutely delighted that Kev is wishing to bankrupt himself in a hopeless cause. Kev, I am not sure that you have understood the point of employment. Nobody can be forced to attend work. Forcing people to attend work is slavery, not employment.

    As for denying you the right to travel to work, I suggest you do as Norman Tebbit suggested and get on your bike. It is not my members responsibility to get you to work - it's yours.

    And if you were worth half as much as you appear to think you are, then your employer wouldn't care whether you attended or not. Sitting in a fixed workplace is not the limit of working. If your employer expects otherwise, then you really aren't as important to them as you think. But I guess we already knew that...

    UNITE union doesn't represent itself. It isn't an organism. It is 1.5 MILLION people. And when we go on strike, believe me, THAT is a class action!!!
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