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    • BL888
    • By BL888 14th Aug 17, 10:33 AM
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    Rotpunkt V Schuller V Alno/Intoto Kitchens
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    • 14th Aug 17, 10:33 AM
    Rotpunkt V Schuller V Alno/Intoto Kitchens 14th Aug 17 at 10:33 AM
    Hi All

    I am looking at extending the kitchen with a full rebuild.

    I was originally looking to go to Alno/Intoto but after reading many posts on this forum the recommended german brands are Schuller and Rotpunkt for both quality and value. Does this sound right as both brands have nice gloss white kitchens which is what the misus is after.

    Wheres the best place to get Rotpunkt or schuller kitchens in the Surrey area?

    Thanks
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    • cajef
    • By cajef 14th Aug 17, 2:33 PM
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    Hi there,

    Please send an email to xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxwith your name, address and postcode and we will send you the showroom details for Schüller kitchens closest to your area.

    Thanks
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    • theonlywayisup
    • By theonlywayisup 14th Aug 17, 3:14 PM
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    As a company rep. you need MSE permission to post on these forums.
    Originally posted by cajef
    They've been reported (and removed). You may want to edit the username in your quote so they don't get any further publicity!
    • Jenniefour
    • By Jenniefour 14th Aug 17, 6:52 PM
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    You've made the right choice on who to avoid. Do a Google search in your area. Depending on how long you're willing to spend researching you might find a dealer out of your area who will do you a better price. I bought a Schuller kitchen about 8 years ago for my previous property (London), dealer was 200 miles away and Schuller delivered it themselves. Great service, and they supplied proper electrical and plumbing plans to boot. Kitchen fitter was well impressed. You will also get good kitchen design. They usually know all the tips that make a kitchen look better as well, like putting in a hood that's wider than the hob.

    Only thing I would say, and the dealers might have me on the hit list for saying this, is consider not having corner units. They're about as ergonomic and efficient to use as trying to drive a grand piano. They're expensive, full of fiddly this and that (which, of course, some see as attractive until they have to live with the blinking things on a daily basis, fishing things out from the backs of them but they do have a "novelty" pull to them), and use up space on the runs, which could be put to better use. To be fair, dealers are wanting to make a profit, and so they should too. But money on corner units can be better spent elsewhere, in my view.
    • ryder72
    • By ryder72 14th Aug 17, 9:11 PM
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    At this point in time, Alno AG is in administration so be very wary of buying anything from Intoto/Alno.

    Alno has been in financial difficulty forever and they are trying to get themselves out of the mess but its not going to be easy. They had to let one of their 4 brands go last week.
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    • BL888
    • By BL888 14th Aug 17, 9:38 PM
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    • 14th Aug 17, 9:38 PM
    You've made the right choice on who to avoid. Do a Google search in your area. Depending on how long you're willing to spend researching you might find a dealer out of your area who will do you a better price. I bought a Schuller kitchen about 8 years ago for my previous property (London), dealer was 200 miles away and Schuller delivered it themselves. Great service, and they supplied proper electrical and plumbing plans to boot. Kitchen fitter was well impressed. You will also get good kitchen design. They usually know all the tips that make a kitchen look better as well, like putting in a hood that's wider than the hob.

    Only thing I would say, and the dealers might have me on the hit list for saying this, is consider not having corner units. They're about as ergonomic and efficient to use as trying to drive a grand piano. They're expensive, full of fiddly this and that (which, of course, some see as attractive until they have to live with the blinking things on a daily basis, fishing things out from the backs of them but they do have a "novelty" pull to them), and use up space on the runs, which could be put to better use. To be fair, dealers are wanting to make a profit, and so they should too. But money on corner units can be better spent elsewhere, in my view.
    Originally posted by Jenniefour

    Hi Jenniefour

    Many thanks for the response.m Which Schuller range did you go for? Are you able to PM me the dealer/installer you went with? I live literally on the outskirt of London.

    Thanks
    • BL888
    • By BL888 14th Aug 17, 10:29 PM
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    At this point in time, Alno AG is in administration so be very wary of buying anything from Intoto/Alno.

    Alno has been in financial difficulty forever and they are trying to get themselves out of the mess but its not going to be easy. They had to let one of their 4 brands go last week.
    Originally posted by ryder72
    Hi Ryder

    woooooo thanks for the information. Who would have known.

    Ive read many of your posts re kitchens. Would you say that overall Schuller and Rokpunkt are the best to go for in terms of quality and value?

    Thanks
    • Jenniefour
    • By Jenniefour 15th Aug 17, 11:21 AM
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    Hi Jenniefour

    Many thanks for the response.m Which Schuller range did you go for? Are you able to PM me the dealer/installer you went with? I live literally on the outskirt of London.

    Thanks
    Originally posted by BL888
    The range I went for was in price bracket 2, from memory. You can download a brochure from the internet, and probably the same with the other brand. Go into a dealer and have a good look. Overall quality on all ranges is good, it's the choices in colours/finishes, that partly determine the price bracket.
    • Jenniefour
    • By Jenniefour 15th Aug 17, 11:38 AM
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    At this point in time, Alno AG is in administration so be very wary of buying anything from Intoto/Alno.

    Alno has been in financial difficulty forever and they are trying to get themselves out of the mess but its not going to be easy. They had to let one of their 4 brands go last week.
    Originally posted by ryder72
    Good information. They have a lot of high street presence, two in my immediate local area, and they do look good to the unwary. They know how to do good window dressing and easy to get pulled in by the glitz and glamour. I'd like to see them disappear, folks are paying through the nose for them.
    • ryder72
    • By ryder72 15th Aug 17, 8:44 PM
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    Have to agree. Alno products are the most overpriced on the market.
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    • ccfcforever1987
    • By ccfcforever1987 16th Aug 17, 4:03 PM
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    We looked at Intoto/Alno and there were very expensive when compared to other brands and independents.

    We finally decided to go for a Sheraton kitchen from Leekes in Coventry. I think the nearest one to Surrey is in Swindon and I did notice in the showroom that Leekes are a Rotpunkt dealer too.

    The designer (Gareth) was fantastic. The units we chose weren't cheap but we have gone for something we couldn't find anywhere else, like Wickes, and have gone for a laquered door finish rather than a foil/vinyl wrapped finish. We did get some very good prices on the appliances we wanted and they price matched everything and not just to well known retailers like John Lewis, they price-matched our tap with an online only company I had never actually heard of. In fact I tried to find everything cheaper online (apart from the units) and with the exception of a handful of items Leekes original prices were the best.

    I totally agree with BL888 with regard the corner unit. To give you an real example. We had a corner unit with a contraption in our original quote and with much ummming and arhhing we decided we could live without it. We actually saved nearly £600 by having the exact same corner unit but without the pully out thing.
    • Jenniefour
    • By Jenniefour 17th Aug 17, 12:31 AM
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    I totally agree with BL888 with regard the corner unit. To give you an real example. We had a corner unit with a contraption in our original quote and with much ummming and arhhing we decided we could live without it. We actually saved nearly £600 by having the exact same corner unit but without the pully out thing.
    Originally posted by ccfcforever1987
    Funny that, BL888 and me must look alike!

    Anyway, I don't put in corner units at all. I think even the ones without the peculiar gubbins are still a waste of space and money, and the door(s) takes up space which could be used in a more user friendly way on the runs. Just install worktop as you would anyway, with batons underneath the back of the blank corner space and install some sort of filler piece to get enough clearance at the front between the last two units on each side of the run.
    • ccfcforever1987
    • By ccfcforever1987 17th Aug 17, 8:07 AM
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    Funny that, BL888 and me must look alike!
    Originally posted by Jenniefour
    Sorry Jennifour,
    • Jenniefour
    • By Jenniefour 17th Aug 17, 9:59 AM
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    Sorry Jennifour,
    Originally posted by ccfcforever1987
    No worries! Wasn't in the least bit miffed.
    • woodsleighroc
    • By woodsleighroc 5th Oct 17, 9:51 AM
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    At this point in time, Alno AG is in administration so be very wary of buying anything from Intoto/Alno.

    Alno has been in financial difficulty forever and they are trying to get themselves out of the mess but its not going to be easy. They had to let one of their 4 brands go last week.
    Originally posted by ryder72
    I so wish I had seen this post before paying 25% deposit of the full price of kitchen we ordered (£4800) and a cheque for over £2000 for appliances and an initial £1500 commitment fee. Kitchen was due next week - totally gutted and now in a vacuum of uncertainty what will happen to our money and the kitchen which i presume must be built and on a pallet somewhere 😩😩
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