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    • JustAnotherSaver
    • By JustAnotherSaver 16th Jul 17, 3:39 PM
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    Windows 7 taking forever to load
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    • 16th Jul 17, 3:39 PM
    Windows 7 taking forever to load 16th Jul 17 at 3:39 PM


    For a week or so now when i turn the PC on it gets caught up at this screen. Not all the time but often. This morning after probably about 3-5 minutes at this screen i went downstairs & had a coffee, came back upstairs once i'd done that & it had finally opened up Windows 7.

    I've not installed anything new that i can think of. I've ran SuperAntiSpyware, Malwarebytes Anti Malware, MS SE. Nothing found.

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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 16th Jul 17, 3:59 PM
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    Could it be doing a windows update in back ground and failing, check the history

    Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Windows Update\View update history

    and what is outstanding to install

    Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Windows Update

    Listen to the hard disk when starting up, is it making noises suggesting it is having seek errors?

    As a precaution copy off your data while you can.
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    • WAYT
    • By WAYT 16th Jul 17, 4:18 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 4:18 PM
    Dell PC? Service Tag on the label.
    • patientperson
    • By patientperson 16th Jul 17, 4:20 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 4:20 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 4:20 PM
    MS have been issuing updates for Windows 7 .. I think 4 to 6 updates in the last week alone. Normally there is an indication icon of updates in progress and certainly on shutdown there is clear warning that updates will be installed.

    Perhaps your AV is doing a scan on start up?.

    I have problems with some of these updates resulting in the dreaded blue screen which necessitated multiple attempts regarding recovery point restore.
    • patientperson
    • By patientperson 16th Jul 17, 4:41 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 4:41 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 4:41 PM
    If your start up delay continues then you could look at the Task Manager which will give info on what is running and which applications are hogging the system resources.

    Just in case some readers are not familiar with Task manager .. just Right Click on the bottom bar of your screen and start up Task Manager from the options presented.

    You can see useful info by looking at the options available.
    • I have spoken
    • By I have spoken 16th Jul 17, 5:52 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 5:52 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 5:52 PM
    if it's booting off a hard-disk, I'd suspect that's going bad.
    • JustAnotherSaver
    • By JustAnotherSaver 16th Jul 17, 6:24 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 6:24 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 6:24 PM
    Could it be doing a windows update in back ground and failing, check the history
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    I doubt it. Windows update is set to off. I don't like updates installing without me knowing what is being installed since not all updates are good news.

    Although having checked that there have been updates installed, but only for MSE Security Essentials.
    The last update installed that wasn't for MSE was back in February.

    As a precaution copy off your data while you can.
    Good call.

    For the record it's a SSD. I can't remember when i bought it, perhaps 3 years ago, maybe 4 at the most but even then i'm still guessing.
    It's a Samsung SSD 830.

    Dell PC? Service Tag on the label.
    Originally posted by WAYT
    No that's a Dell monitor



    I had a look in msconfig & there's only 12 items listed in the startup. iTunes, Java, Acronis, Dropbox, Quicktime, MS Office, Malwarebytes and a few more, nothing different to what there's previously been.

    • JustAnotherSaver
    • By JustAnotherSaver 16th Jul 17, 6:34 PM
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    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 16th Jul 17, 7:26 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 7:26 PM
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    • 16th Jul 17, 7:26 PM
    How many programs and services running? How many loading at startup?
    Punctuation, Spelling and Grammar will be used sparingly. Due to rising costs of inflation.

    My contribution to MSE. Other contributions will only be used if they cost me nothing.

    Due to me being a tight git.
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 16th Jul 17, 7:39 PM
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    The interesting thing to me was it was slow before you got to a login screen, that suggests it is a service, scheduled task, update or the disk.

    You can view the event logs to see if anything gives you a clue, there are a lots of entries so look for most recent shutdown or restart and work forward from there.

    Other than AV I would disable all that dross in MSconfig, I would also check the scheduled tasks, again I have no mercy for anything non microsoft, not adobe, not google, NOBODY, always bugs me when companies put their tripe on my system without my express permission.

    Same applies to services, various updates which all just use network bandwidth when they go checking for this that and the other.

    I always keep the three Apple services disabled unless I am making a backup in which case I turn them on for the duration and then back to disabled again.

    Samsung are probably the best SSD's on market, there are some updates for firmware and some tools at the link below but make a backup first!

    http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/download/tools.html
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    • JustAnotherSaver
    • By JustAnotherSaver 16th Jul 17, 8:22 PM
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    The interesting thing to me was it was slow before you got to a login screen, that suggests it is a service, scheduled task, update or the disk.
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    That's the thing. Surely it's not about my startup since all this delay happens before i even enter my password.

    Once i actually get to the password screen then it fires up as fast as it ever did. The problem is getting to the screen.

    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 16th Jul 17, 8:30 PM
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    No surely if it is happening BEFORE windows allows you to log in it is either the services, drivers etc that I mentioned above or it is hardware failure.

    Samsung do improvements on their writing algorithm in updates so worth getting firmware but again backup anything you care about.

    I forgot to mention trying to start in Safe Mode, press f8 if you can, try each type



    I do not suppose their are any things in Device Manager that are showing yellow or red?
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    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 16th Jul 17, 9:01 PM
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    Have you tried using the System File Checker?

    Open an elevated command prompt and run:
    Code:
    sfc /scannow
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/929833/use-the-system-file-checker-tool-to-repair-missing-or-corrupted-system
    • alankearn
    • By alankearn 17th Jul 17, 5:15 AM
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    Maybe its time to upgrade to Windows 10 (at no cost) using this method

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade?tduid=(d90f8df71ea39f79a8ae166b34 ec7fc0)(266696)(1544997)()()
    Last edited by alankearn; 17-07-2017 at 8:47 AM.
    • Jim431
    • By Jim431 17th Jul 17, 8:18 AM
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    Surprised that no one has suggested turning on boot logs and checking for any failures there.

    http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/tr-dojo/monitor-windows-7-boot-logs-with-the-help-of-msconfig/

    Until you get it sorted make sure everything important is backed up while you still have access.

    May be a driver problem or SSD failing.
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 17th Jul 17, 8:18 AM
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    No need for anything THAT drastic!!

    Before taking such a step I would partition disk, separate data and make a primary partition to clone Win7 to, then use EasyBCD to dual boot both Win7's, then upgrade one to 10 to try out, safe in the knowledge that a reboot will allow simple access to Win7 and again back to Win10.

    Do not need all this sneaky update method either, Win10 is out there, free anyway, it is after all an affiliate and advertising platform, they only get paid if people use it. Right now they are creating demand by scarcity and reinforcing their OEM agreements.
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    • alankearn
    • By alankearn 17th Jul 17, 8:51 AM
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    No need for anything THAT drastic!!

    Before taking such a step I would partition disk, separate data and make a primary partition to clone Win7 to, then use EasyBCD to dual boot both Win7's, then upgrade one to 10 to try out, safe in the knowledge that a reboot will allow simple access to Win7 and again back to Win10.

    Do not need all this sneaky update method either, Win10 is out there, free anyway, it is after all an affiliate and advertising platform, they only get paid if people use it. Right now they are creating demand by scarcity and reinforcing their OEM agreements.
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    And where are the web links to get free legitimate download/upgrades to Windows 10
    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 17th Jul 17, 9:35 AM
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    Wow, you can an incredible knack....


    ....for suggesting what has already been suggested!


    Surprised that no one has suggested turning on boot logs and checking for any failures there.

    http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/tr-dojo/monitor-windows-7-boot-logs-with-the-help-of-msconfig/
    Originally posted by Jim431
    What as suggested in post #10?
    You can view the event logs to see if anything gives you a clue, there are a lots of entries so look for most recent shutdown or restart and work forward from there.

    Other than AV I would disable all that dross in MSconfig...
    Originally posted by DavidP24

    Until you get it sorted make sure everything important is backed up while you still have access.
    Originally posted by Jim431
    What as suggested in post #2
    As a precaution copy off your data while you can.
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    and in post #10
    but make a backup first!
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    and in post #12
    ...but again backup anything you care about.
    Originally posted by DavidP24

    May be a driver problem
    Originally posted by Jim431
    What as suggested in post #12
    No surely if it is happening BEFORE windows allows you to log in it is either the services, drivers etc that I mentioned above.
    Originally posted by DavidP24

    or SSD failing.
    Originally posted by Jim431
    What as suggested here in post #2
    Listen to the hard disk when starting up, is it making noises suggesting it is having seek errors?
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    Of course at that time was not told it was SSD but also suggested disk in post #10

    The interesting thing to me was it was slow before you got to a login screen, that suggests it is a service, scheduled task, update or the disk.
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    and here in post #12
    ....or it is hardware failure.
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    Oh and here again in post #10
    Samsung are probably the best SSD's on market, there are some updates for firmware and some tools at the link below but make a backup first!

    http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/download/tools.html

    Samsung do improvements on their writing algorithm in updates so worth getting firmware but again backup anything you care about.
    Originally posted by DavidP24
    Not to mention all the input from others, might be an idea to read the suggestions by others and then add your own unique insight, taking that info into consideration, it really would be appreciated.
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    • DavidP24
    • By DavidP24 17th Jul 17, 9:45 AM
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    And where are the web links to get free legitimate download/upgrades to Windows 10
    Originally posted by alankearn
    They are on this forum but they depend on version of windows and PC, the links are generated from Microsoft and download from their site but they only last 24 hours. I ask people to PM me exact version of Windows listed on their COA sticker and the model of PC/Laptop.

    To be honest I also use a USB stick I created that still updates (I usually set the date of PC to May 2015 and disable internet access just in case)

    I created that USB from here

    Create Windows 10 installation media
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10

    Works for me!
    Last edited by DavidP24; 17-07-2017 at 9:51 AM.
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    • Jim431
    • By Jim431 17th Jul 17, 11:26 AM
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    Wow, you can an incredible knack........for suggesting what has already been suggested!
    What as suggested in post #10?
    Originally posted by DavidP24

    Event logs and boot logs are two completely different things.
    But maybe you are new to this
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