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    • ol1v33r
    • By ol1v33r 13th Jul 17, 11:54 PM
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    Can we fix the Dartford Charge system?
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    • 13th Jul 17, 11:54 PM
    Can we fix the Dartford Charge system? 13th Jul 17 at 11:54 PM
    So the Dartford Crossing charge is a disgrace firstly because when the bridge was proposed we were told that after the bridge was paid for the toll would be stopped and secondly for the ineffective and onerous way in which it is implemented detrimentally affecting innocent people.

    What can we do to get the toll stopped? Will our MPs listen?

    What can we do to get the system improved so it's less unfair towards innocent people?

    Is it too much to ask that people get a reminder email or letter before being forced to pay a ridiculously huge fine?

    What about extending the payment window to more than the next day?

    I'm sick of being targeted by the government and companies as an easy way for them to make money for doing nothing, I'm pretty sure you are too I just hope you are not too apathetic at the moment to do anything about it now.

    Let's start this discussion and see how far we can take this.
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    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 14th Jul 17, 12:05 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 12:05 AM
    • #2
    • 14th Jul 17, 12:05 AM
    So the Dartford Crossing charge is a disgrace firstly because when the bridge was proposed we were told that after the bridge was paid for the toll would be stopped and secondly for the ineffective and onerous way in which it is implemented detrimentally affecting innocent people.

    What can we do to get the toll stopped? Will our MPs listen?

    What can we do to get the system improved so it's less unfair towards innocent people?

    Is it too much to ask that people get a reminder email or letter before being forced to pay a ridiculously huge fine?

    What about extending the payment window to more than the next day?

    I'm sick of being targeted by the government and companies as an easy way for them to make money for doing nothing, I'm pretty sure you are too I just hope you are not too apathetic at the moment to do anything about it now.

    Let's start this discussion and see how far we can take this.
    Originally posted by ol1v33r
    You will not stop it, it is yet another government approved scam.
    You know our government, they simply adore scams
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 14th Jul 17, 5:25 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 5:25 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 5:25 AM
    Was not income tax a temporary measure when first introduced?
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • IamEmanresu
    • By IamEmanresu 14th Jul 17, 6:17 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 6:17 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 6:17 AM
    You will not stop it, it is yet another government approved scam.
    Get someone on the other end. Lift it. Take it to Scotland where there are no toll fees.
    Life's for living, get on with it rather than worrying about these. If they hassle, counter claim.

    Send them that costs schedule though, 24 hours before the hearing, and file it with the court. Take with you evidence that you have sent the costs schedule to them and when.
    LoC
    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 14th Jul 17, 6:56 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 6:56 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 6:56 AM
    You will not stop it, it is yet another government approved scam.
    You know our government, they simply adore scams
    Originally posted by beamerguy
    Well they are seemingly going to abolish tolls on the Severn Bridge next year, so it can be done.
    • esmerobbo
    • By esmerobbo 14th Jul 17, 7:25 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 7:25 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 7:25 AM
    The first Mersey tunnel was opened in 1934 with the promise it would be free once paid for. We still pay and once the new gateway bridge is open we will not have a toll free way of crossing the river. As the old bridge will be tolled.
    Unfortunately it is simply too good a way of indirect taxation. The penalties are even better!
    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 14th Jul 17, 8:38 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 8:38 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 8:38 AM
    The charges raise £161M so the government will be reluctant to give that revenue stream up, but the private company that operates it (Emovis) creams off £57M.

    But flaws with their systems have actually lost the government £33.6M

    Emovis is part of Albertis which in France (where its headquarters are) is known as Sanef they operate 1760KM of toll roads.

    http://www.kentonline.co.uk/dartford/news/88-million-lost-in-unpaid-123168/
    https://www.abertis.com/en/the-group/toll-roads/uk
    • peter_the_piper
    • By peter_the_piper 14th Jul 17, 10:45 AM
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    • #8
    • 14th Jul 17, 10:45 AM
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    • 14th Jul 17, 10:45 AM
    Toll will help to pay for new crossing, so no problem there.
    What is unfair to "innocent people", who are the innocent people?
    Can't see a problem with extending the payment window to 48 hours.
    no problem if you pay in advance like most people do.
    Suggest this post is better on the DT thread.
    I'd rather be an Optimist and be proved wrong than a Pessimist and be proved right.
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