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    • MSE Sam M
    • By MSE Sam M 13th Jun 17, 12:05 PM
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    MSE Poll: Which Tory manifesto policies would you like to see dropped?
    • #1
    • 13th Jun 17, 12:05 PM
    MSE Poll: Which Tory manifesto policies would you like to see dropped? 13th Jun 17 at 12:05 PM
    Poll started 13 June 2017

    Which Tory manifesto policies would you like to see dropped?

    The Queen’s Speech is due “soon”, where Parliament opens and planned legislation is set out. As the Conservatives have the most MPs but not a majority in Parliament, it’s likely they won’t be able to get every manifesto pledge through. We’ve put a selection of 14 of them.

    Choose UP TO THREE that you’d most like to see dropped.



    Did you vote? Are you surprised at the results so far? Have your say below. To see the results from last time, click here.

    If you haven’t already, join the forum to reply.

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    • davholla
    • By davholla 13th Jun 17, 1:47 PM
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    • #2
    • 13th Jun 17, 1:47 PM
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    • 13th Jun 17, 1:47 PM
    Could we have a poll for which ones we would like to keep?
    • Mrs Arcanum
    • By Mrs Arcanum 13th Jun 17, 6:14 PM
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    • #3
    • 13th Jun 17, 6:14 PM
    • #3
    • 13th Jun 17, 6:14 PM
    Could we have a poll for which ones we would like to keep?
    Originally posted by davholla
    Would be easier to pick 3 or less that way.
    You do not gain an O when you lose. Loose means baggy.
    • redux
    • By redux 13th Jun 17, 6:23 PM
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    • #4
    • 13th Jun 17, 6:23 PM
    • #4
    • 13th Jun 17, 6:23 PM
    Could we have a poll for which ones we would like to keep?
    Originally posted by davholla
    Good idea

    1. Free vote on fox hunting

    2. Replace school lunch with choice of three-quarters of a Weetabix (without any milk) or twelve baked beans for school breakfast

    3. Free vote on new grammar schools.

    Result: 3 defeats, government redundant
    Last edited by redux; 13-06-2017 at 6:28 PM.
    • Doshwaster
    • By Doshwaster 13th Jun 17, 9:05 PM
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    • #5
    • 13th Jun 17, 9:05 PM
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    • 13th Jun 17, 9:05 PM
    Personally, the fox hunting vote didn't bother me. It wouldn't cost anything and there's no chance of it being passed by the Commons but it was an argument that they didn't need to have.

    They really need to drop the hard line on the single market and customs union though as that's going to cost us a fortune.
    • dw1
    • By dw1 14th Jun 17, 7:07 AM
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    • #6
    • 14th Jun 17, 7:07 AM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 7:07 AM
    You forgot the option 'drop most of them, they're nearly all bad'.

    The only ones I'd keep are the foreign aid commitment and more public spending (even if they're only willing to spend it on prisons). The rest are either terrible policies, divisive or simply unnecessary.
    • Mr5Micawber
    • By Mr5Micawber 14th Jun 17, 10:35 AM
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    • #7
    • 14th Jun 17, 10:35 AM
    • #7
    • 14th Jun 17, 10:35 AM
    Yes, I agree. This poll needs a 'drop them all, they're all pretty bad' to offset the 'keep 'em all' option. Otherwise this poll is biased.
    • iainrt
    • By iainrt 14th Jun 17, 11:53 AM
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    • #8
    • 14th Jun 17, 11:53 AM
    tamson
    • #8
    • 14th Jun 17, 11:53 AM
    I cannot believe that more people are concerned with repealing the fox hunting ban than with the other more important points, ie pensioners triple lock, winter fuel allowance , foreign aid. No wonder we've got a hung parliament.
    • wooried
    • By wooried 14th Jun 17, 2:38 PM
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    • #9
    • 14th Jun 17, 2:38 PM
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    • 14th Jun 17, 2:38 PM
    Only found two to keep, foreign aid over 0.7pc and modernise prisons (helps building industry jobs).
    • londonlydia
    • By londonlydia 14th Jun 17, 3:20 PM
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    I cannot believe that more people are concerned with repealing the fox hunting ban than with the other more important points, ie pensioners triple lock, winter fuel allowance , foreign aid. No wonder we've got a hung parliament.
    Originally posted by iainrt
    It depends on what you're personally bothered the most by. I would have chosen 'drop them all' if I had the choice, but out of my forced top three, fox hunting was one of them. I think it's barbaric.

    A lot of people are commenting that they dont think it will pass, but I have to say, I think it could be closer than you think. This wont be a referendum, this is a vote of the MPs and many Conservative MPs support it even if their own constituencies mostly dont. This is the case in my constituency - our Tory MP sent out a letter saying that if given the vote, he will vote in favour even though he knows his constituents don't approve. His reasoning was that we dont want it because we're in a town, but the rural community want its return.
    • Pegase
    • By Pegase 14th Jun 17, 3:24 PM
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    only 3 to ditch is very hard!
    3 to keep:
    - State pension triple lock changed to double lock (ie, it’ll only rise with inflation and earnings, no 2.5% min rise guarantee)
    Because why should pensioners income rise faster than everyone else, paid by people whose wages are at best stagnating in real term? mine hasn't even followed either of the double lock criteria (in the NHS: 1%/year, ie with inflation at 2.9, a 1.9% pay cut).
    - Foreign aid to continue to be at least 0.7% of GDP.
    - Modernise prisons with £1 billion of new spending. (with caveat because I can see their rich mates charging stupid amount for that, same as what happened with hospitals)
    • shropshirelady
    • By shropshirelady 14th Jun 17, 6:44 PM
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    This is a money site. I would have thought you could work out the difference between 2.1/2% of £6360 (the basic state pension) and 1% of (say) £20,000. Any additional (earned) pension doesn't get the 2.1/2% increase, so you'd still be getting a bigger increase than a pensioner, who has little chance of increasing their income any ther way.
    • MiserlyMartin
    • By MiserlyMartin 16th Jun 17, 1:59 AM
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    A lot of people voted to scrap the social care proposal where you keep £100,000 of your house/estate before you have to start paying for your care. You all do realise that this policy is an improvement on what happens currently where you are means tested on £23,000!? Labour and their Mirror type rags jumped on this and spread lies about it calling it a 'death tax' etc when it is nothing of the sort, actually you are better off! Going by this poll they hoodwinked MSE members too!

    Free school lunches to be replaced with free school breakfasts, why is that a bad policy, breakfast is the most important meal of the day.

    I can't see how anyone would want to keep spending 0.7% of our GDP on foreign aid. Money we haven't got. Cut it to 0.2% as Obama was doing and he is socialist!

    And why should prisons be modernised? Spending all that money so these criminals can have a nice cosy life better than us on the outside, its supposed to be punishment and not nice, they get far too many perks as it is.
    Last edited by MiserlyMartin; 16-06-2017 at 2:40 AM.
    • happyinflorida
    • By happyinflorida 16th Jun 17, 10:06 PM
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    To the enormous number of people who have voted to stop the taking and selling of peoples home and leaving them £100,000 - this poll makes it unbelievably obvious that hardly anyone is aware that if any elderly person is too old to look after themselves they will be put in a home and if they own their home, it will be sold to pay for their care. This has happened for many, many years - I think it was Thatcher who started this - of course the conservatives.

    Do also be aware that care homes cost around £1000 per week and for this you will often be treated badly, given disgusting food and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

    This if because homes are inspected by social workers - who check that all the necessary forms are being filled in and take the word of the person telling them information about how the home is run to be true - they do not double check anything or look into anything, it is that bad.

    There are some extremely expensive homes and they are no better. One recently I found out which has extortionate charges gives its residents the cheapest wheelchairs, seating, beds, etc.

    This is the UK for you at present, because we have allowed it to become this bad.

    I truly hope people will start waking up to how bad things have become and will start to vote labour so the UK can become a caring nation once again, especially if you don't want to lose your free NHS, because that is going to happen.
    • LyndaB
    • By LyndaB 18th Jun 17, 11:11 PM
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    I find it incredible that there is more support for dropping the fox-hunting vote than there is for dropping the amount we pay in overseas aid. Does no-one realize how much could be done for people in this country if we were not sending such vast sums to other countries to be hijacked by despots and cheats . Get your priorities right people!
    • MiserlyMartin
    • By MiserlyMartin 19th Jun 17, 6:09 PM
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    This is the UK for you at present, because we have allowed it to become this bad.

    I truly hope people will start waking up to how bad things have become and will start to vote labour so the UK can become a caring nation once again, especially if you don't want to lose your free NHS, because that is going to happen.
    Originally posted by happyinflorida
    Vote Labour if it makes you feel better, but you will find that the poor and needy will be the hardest hit once Corbyn has run the country into the ground borrowing and taxing to the max and we will go cap in hand once again to the IMF for a bail out, just like Greece. (as we did under 1970s Labour)
    • Tammykitty
    • By Tammykitty 20th Jun 17, 2:25 PM
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    I don't think any of the policies are actually that bad


    My views on the most controversial


    Fox Hunting - I am not overly concerned about it, a free vote means the MP's get to choose, and I don't think it will pass anyway, but even if it does it is still not an issue that overly concerns me


    Social Care - being able to keep £100k of assets is a significant improvement on the £23k there is now - although I am not happy with the inclusion of care at home..


    Triple Lock - Removal of 2.5%, given inflation is rising, this is likely to have a minimal affect on payments
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    • happyinflorida
    • By happyinflorida 21st Jun 17, 9:56 PM
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    Vote Labour if it makes you feel better, but you will find that the poor and needy will be the hardest hit once Corbyn has run the country into the ground borrowing and taxing to the max and we will go cap in hand once again to the IMF for a bail out, just like Greece. (as we did under 1970s Labour)
    Originally posted by MiserlyMartin
    Corbyn will not be running the country into the ground which is what the conservatives have been secretly doing since they got into power, such as national debt has gone up almost 3 times what it was before and in just 7 years they have increased the debt more than the whole lot of previous labour governments all added together - think about that for a moment!

    The only taxing Corbyn has planned to do is of the richest - they can afford to pay tax far more than the vast majority of people in the UK. Most of the big companies in the UK don't pay any tax, like the owner of the Daily Mail - Viscount Rothermere, who for tax purposes calls himself a French national to avoid paying any tax on his £billions - were you aware of that?

    Our media, TV and papers, are owned by 6 companies. Rupert Murdoch has the biggest control - The sun, the times, OK magazine, etc.

    We are not being told the truth in our media anymore.

    Corbyn fully itemised his manifesto, unlike the conservatives who have also kept changing their manifesto and are running around like headless chickens now.

    The current sorry state the country is in is beyond belief. May, rather than resign has teamed up with the terrorist DUP - she is also bribing them to vote with her to get laws through parliament by offering them £billions - they currently are demanding compensation for all the victims of the IRA - why on earth should they be given any compensation by the British tax payer?!

    Look at how Grenfell Tower burnt down because this government has put social housing in the hands of private companies who put profit before safety. It was revealed on the Wright Stuff that fire proof cladding would only have cost £5000 more - but they chose not to do that and now look at what has happened.

    We need Labour in power more than ever.
    • tberry6686
    • By tberry6686 22nd Jun 17, 11:13 AM
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    Happyinflorida.

    Take off your rose tinted specs for a minute.

    The labour manifesto was a blatant vote buying document that was completely unaffordable for the country.

    As far as the national debt goes the amount isn't really relevant. The deficit is and that is reducing, under Corbyn it would have shot through the roof.

    Increasing the tax on the richest seems fair but does not work. All that happens is tax avoidance increases resulting in a lower tax take from the richest. This has been proven to be the case everywhere it has been tried.

    Increasing company taxes has the same effect except that the companies that can afford to, move where they pay tax so that they pay less or manipulate things to pay less. The final result - lower tax income.

    I have no love of the conservatives (voted for them once, to get rid of the SNP in my region). But to try and say that labours manifesto would have been anything short of economically disastrous for the country is just daft
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