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    • Glitzy73
    • By Glitzy73 8th Jun 17, 9:10 AM
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    Excel Parking Charge
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    • 8th Jun 17, 9:10 AM
    Excel Parking Charge 8th Jun 17 at 9:10 AM
    I received a PCN from Excel Parking as they said I parked without paying, however I did pay and display my ticket but I stupidly put in the registration number of my other car (Which I Still Own), I appealed the PCN but was dismissed, I then had the option to take the matter further to Independant Appeals Services, which I did, I got a copy of the parking meter records which clearly showed my paid ticket but for my other car, I also sent ownership papers for both of my cars, thinking that they would cancel the PCN as I did purchase and display the ticket but just used the wrong registration number. I received an email today saying my appeal was dismissed. Im really upset that I made a stupid mistake but I DID PAY! Is there anything else I can do or do I just conceide and pay the fine?
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    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 8th Jun 17, 9:26 AM
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    • 8th Jun 17, 9:26 AM
    I received a PCN from Excel Parking as they said I parked without paying, however I did pay and display my ticket but I stupidly put in the registration number of my other car (Which I Still Own), I appealed the PCN but was dismissed, I then had the option to take the matter further to Independant Appeals Services, which I did, I got a copy of the parking meter records which clearly showed my paid ticket but for my other car, I also sent ownership papers for both of my cars, thinking that they would cancel the PCN as I did purchase and display the ticket but just used the wrong registration number. I received an email today saying my appeal was dismissed. Im really upset that I made a stupid mistake but I DID PAY! Is there anything else I can do or do I just conceide and pay the fine?
    Originally posted by Glitzy73
    Shame you did not come here first as you will have learned
    that the IAS is one of the UK's biggest scams which is run by
    Gladstones Solicitors.

    Next step is to wait. You might get a gloating letter from EXCEL
    and there is no point is responding despite what they say.
    Then silly debt collectors send letters and these are involved
    in the scam.

    You completely ignore everything now despite the rubbish they spout.

    If Excel want to take it further they employ a very incompetent
    solicitor called BWLegal

    Search this forum for Excel and BWLegal and do the same
    on the parking pranksters site
    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2017/

    You will quickly see what a pathetic bunch Excel and BWLegal are

    So wait, any stupid threats from BWLegal come back here.
    As said, BWLegal are highly incompetent but I am sure you are not

    One member on here called Lamilad will reply to you soon, Lamilad is
    considered a very dangerous person by BWLegal as he eats them up
    and spits them out in court

    DO NOT PAY THESE SCAMMERS OR CONVERSE WITH THEM
    Last edited by beamerguy; 08-06-2017 at 9:38 AM.
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    • Glitzy73
    • By Glitzy73 8th Jun 17, 9:47 AM
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    Thank you so much for your reply beamerguy, I genuinely though that if I showed them the evidence that they would be compasionate and cancel the PCN, but I feel that they have not taken anything I have shown them into consideration and just dismissed my case. I also wished I had come here 1st.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 8th Jun 17, 9:55 AM
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    Thank you so much for your reply beamerguy, I genuinely though that if I showed them the evidence that they would be compasionate and cancel the PCN, but I feel that they have not taken anything I have shown them into consideration and just dismissed my case. I also wished I had come here 1st.
    Originally posted by Glitzy73
    These scammers (allowed by government) are only interested
    in scamming you for money and simply not interested in being
    compassionate. They are the low life of the UK.

    You will get all the help you need on this forum, so chill out.
    If you receive anything from BWLegal or indeed any other legal, come back here.
    If you get real court papers also come back here

    In the meantime get on with your life.

    DO NOT BE INTIMIDATED BY RUBBISH SCAM LETTERS
    Last edited by beamerguy; 08-06-2017 at 9:58 AM.
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

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    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 8th Jun 17, 9:56 AM
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    • 8th Jun 17, 9:56 AM
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    Thank you so much for your reply beamerguy, I genuinely though that if I showed them the evidence that they would be compasionate and cancel the PCN, but I feel that they have not taken anything I have shown them into consideration and just dismissed my case. I also wished I had come here 1st.
    Originally posted by Glitzy73
    You are missing the real point, private parking companies have found an easy way of making money full stop.

    They have no compassion, they do not take anything in to consideration that will stop them making more money.

    These are scammers in an unregulated industry they fight dirty, this is not a fine it's an invoice that they want you to pay and they will do whatever they can to trick you into paying it.

    It's just a waiting game now to see what they try next, no one on here is going to tell you to pay it, and there is help to tell you what to do next.
    To quote the words of the great Count Arthur Strong "You Couldn't make it up"
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 8th Jun 17, 9:56 AM
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    • 8th Jun 17, 9:56 AM
    they would be compasionate and cancel
    Compassion and cancellation = no income = no profits = no private education = no gymkhana ponies for dear daughters = no luxury yacht for Excel's owner, Simon Renshaw-Smith.

    How could you possibly expect compassion?

    Do you like his grin?

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/27/article-0-0085E7CB000004B0-99_1024x615_large.jpg

    You have been exposed to one of the biggest rackets destroying this country.

    Don't pay, but fight this with our help.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • Glitzy73
    • By Glitzy73 8th Jun 17, 10:02 AM
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    • 8th Jun 17, 10:02 AM
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    • 8th Jun 17, 10:02 AM
    Why has this come up:-
    NEWBIES - wise up - DO NOT IGNORE A PARKING CHARGE NOTICE - you have been warned!
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 8th Jun 17, 10:06 AM
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    • 8th Jun 17, 10:06 AM
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    • 8th Jun 17, 10:06 AM
    Why has this come up:-
    NEWBIES - wise up - DO NOT IGNORE A PARKING CHARGE NOTICE - you have been warned!
    Originally posted by Glitzy73
    It means what it says.

    You did not ignore hence you went to the IAS scam

    So you did the right thing

    NOW you are in ignore mode and let's see what card they play.

    We have many cards that this forum will show you how to
    shoot back.
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

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    • Glitzy73
    • By Glitzy73 8th Jun 17, 10:11 AM
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    Thank you all for your advice, as much as I am now panicking I will sit and wait to see what they do next, just worried as from £60.00 its now £100.00, I will keep you all updated
    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 8th Jun 17, 10:31 PM
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    Thank you all for your advice, as much as I am now panicking I will sit and wait to see what they do next, just worried as from £60.00 its now £100.00, I will keep you all updated
    Originally posted by Glitzy73
    If you follow the advice on here it should be £0, the "discount" is actually a bribe to make you throw in the towel and pay up without a fuss.
    I told you they are devious!
    To quote the words of the great Count Arthur Strong "You Couldn't make it up"
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 9th Jun 17, 7:05 PM
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    Thank you all for your advice, as much as I am now panicking I will sit and wait to see what they do next, just worried as from £60.00 its now £100.00, I will keep you all updated
    Originally posted by Glitzy73
    So what? The sum can't escalate to silly amounts, despite what BW Legal will write and tell you (please read other threads about BW Legal in readiness, rather than doing nothing then rushing back about every letter as if it's something new).

    This will be resolved at small claims. I can't recall an Excel one lost here. Read a few dozen BW Legal threads!!
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Glitzy73
    • By Glitzy73 27th Jul 17, 5:26 PM
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    Hi, Ok so today a Final Demand came from Excel Parking basically saying,referencing a case in 2015 between Parking Eye Ltd v Beavis UKSC 67 where the supreme court held that parking charges serve a legitimate commercial interest and are neither extravagant nor unconscionable and to avoid further action being taken, along with additional costs and interest being incurred I must pay immediately. Do I now just paying as it looks like its getting more serious, they have even listed below advice places I can contact ??
    • waamo
    • By waamo 27th Jul 17, 5:37 PM
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    "Final demand". If you wait a bit you will get a Final, Final demand. After that a Really Final Demand. They sometimes follow that up with a We Really Mean It Final demand.

    Follow the advice in the Newbies thread about debt collectors, that is what this is.

    Look out for something marked Letter Before Claim though. That needs responding robustly to.

    Have another read of the Newbies thread. This is all covered in there.
    This space for hire.
    • Geoff1963
    • By Geoff1963 27th Jul 17, 5:54 PM
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    Just a small point, for discussion. I think the OP raises a new issue.

    Does the parking machine tell the driver to put in the details of their car ( and the OP had a choice of two ) or the particular car they are parking at the time ? It should be specific
    .
    It probably says that the tickets are "not transferable" ; but does that mean : between vehicles, or between drivers ? I presume that a driver is allowed to leave and come back during the duration of the ticket, because they have paid for a duration of parking ( like nipping out of a cinema to go to the loo ), but what about a different driver in the same vehicle ; or the same driver in a different vehicle that they also own, for the rest of the time ? Perhaps the OP's plan had been to call back later in the day, to make use of the full parking duration they had paid for, but in their other car ; and hence either number would have been valid, because the ticket only had the option of one.

    If the parking contract is with the driver, then the driver should be allowed to come and go as often as they please, during the parking duration, in any vehicle they want ; rather than any person being allowed to come and go, in that vehicle. How stupid is it to assign the ticket to the registration number of the vehicle ? Is the vehicle liable to pay the invoice for parking ?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 27th Jul 17, 8:08 PM
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    Hi, Ok so today a Final Demand came from Excel Parking basically saying,referencing a case in 2015 between Parking Eye Ltd v Beavis UKSC 67 where the supreme court held that parking charges serve a legitimate commercial interest and are neither extravagant nor unconscionable and to avoid further action being taken, along with additional costs and interest being incurred I must pay immediately.

    Do I now just paying as it looks like its getting more serious, they have even listed below advice places I can contact ??
    Originally posted by Glitzy73
    What did the advice above your post tell you? I even said WE WIN SMALL CLAIMS and this is where it will be resolved.

    Where did any of us say 'when you get a scary letter, oooh, it's serious, so yeah, panic and pay it'...we didn't we told you what happens and we told you we win. And the NEWBIES thread tells you how to reply to a pre-court letter too. All already covered, no-one here pays, only a numpty would pay(!!), having come here and got advice.

    Don't be a victim. Your post reads as though you've read no other threads, not even the NEWBIES thread.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 27-07-2017 at 8:12 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Glitzy73
    • By Glitzy73 27th Jul 17, 8:28 PM
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    I have never spoke on forums before so please dont make fun of me I dont even know anything about the newbies forum, I just thought I would use this website as I have seen it on TV, so please be patient with me, I appreciate everyones advice but it doesnt mean that receiving these letters haven't concerned me.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 27th Jul 17, 8:30 PM
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    The NEWBIES thread is mentioned under every post I make.

    My 'signature' tells you where to click - look under my replies. One click gets you there, we hoped you had done that.

    And I had already advised you clearly:

    please read other threads about BW Legal in readiness, rather than doing nothing then rushing back about every letter as if it's something new.

    This will be resolved at small claims. I can't recall an Excel one lost here.


    Read a few dozen BW Legal threads!!
    Did you read other BW Legal threads? And did you read the NEWBIES thread all about what happens and how to handle it?

    You have no idea how frustrating it is to give clear advice and then the poster makes it clear they never followed it.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 27-07-2017 at 8:33 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • waamo
    • By waamo 27th Jul 17, 8:38 PM
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    I have never spoke on forums before so please dont make fun of me I dont even know anything about the newbies forum, I just thought I would use this website as I have seen it on TV, so please be patient with me, I appreciate everyones advice but it doesnt mean that receiving these letters haven't concerned me.
    Originally posted by Glitzy73
    Nobody is making fun of you. The advice on here tends to be robust and without sugar coating. There is good reason for that, people are scared and want to rush into paying. Being softly, softly and giving online tea and sympathy seems to feed the fear and panic.

    We don't want anyone to pay or get terrified by the thought of getting court papers. A robust answer seems to get attention and get the heckles up enough for a good fight.

    If you would rather tea and sympathy go and see a vicar.
    This space for hire.
    • Johnersh
    • By Johnersh 27th Jul 17, 8:59 PM
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    Since you can prove payment (and therefore no prejudice - they're not out of pocket at all) it is a big ask for them to ask for and get £100+ from the Court.

    I'd suggest if this gets to solicitor stage (and I mean the real deal, not a debt collector masquerading as one) you simply write to them with an "exhortation to leave" (if you follow)

    So... mark the letter WITHOUT PREJUDICE explaining 1. There is no loss, 2. Evidence has been provided in respect of 1, above - invite them to review it if their client hasn't provided it. 3. Explain that the claim is vexatious and that you shall seek your costs if they persist in pursuing the claim, reminding them of the CPR provisions as to unreasonable costs (search the forum on that point)and that their duty to the court under CPR part 1 includes proportionality and the use of court resources.

    Pursuit of a claim over a failure to type in a registration number, not even a pecuniary loss is entirely disproportionate and a waste of court time.
    • Johnersh
    • By Johnersh 27th Jul 17, 9:01 PM
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    Oh... And it goes without saying, finish the letter inviting them not to proceed with the proposed claim, which is misconceived.
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