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Former_MSE_Aileen
Former_MSE_Aileen Posts: 31 Forumite
edited 11 November 2014 at 3:46PM in Savings & investments
The government is looking for your views on the benefits and risks of using digital currencies, such as Bitcoin or Litecoin.

You can see the full call for information for the background and full list of questions, but we have selected the most relevant below.

  • What are the benefits of digital currencies?
  • What are the risks?
  • Do you think the government should intervene to support their development? If so, what actions do you think it should take?
  • Should the government regulate them to protect users?


Email your views to DigitalCurrencies@HMTreasury.gsi.gov.uk by Wed 3 Dec and click reply to share below.

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  • Han_naH
    Han_naH Posts: 268 Forumite
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    • What are the benefits of digital currencies?
    The benefits of digital currencies are that governments can't control them and print them as fiat money to get out of trouble.



    When the banks collapse, and central banks and currencies are bust, if there is an internet then Bitcoin prevails.



    Bitcoin, for example is "mined" at a slow rate and maintains its value. Govts wish to make people focus on their sovereign currencies and not gold, Bitcoin or alternatives.

    • What are the risks?
    The risks are that Govts, central banks and other big players can manipulate the market for these currencies and cause them to crash in value. Or they may regulate to restrict ownership (like the previous ban on owning gold). They like to burn your fingers for looking at alternatives.

    • Do you think the government should intervene to support their development? If so, what actions do you think it should take?
    Read: Do you think the Govt should intervene to [protect its interests and worthless paper money] and support [introduce laws on digital currency ownership] their development.
    • Should the government regulate them to protect users?
    Read: Should the Govt intervene to protect it's sovereign currency interests in the face of alternative currencies with real value that they have no control over?


    A few random thoughts..

  • Honestly, my gut feeling is in 5 years or so, we'll look back on BitCoin and say:

    Remember when we convinced ourselves to spend $thousands on bits of worthless computer code that never had more than a niche use outside bartering for mail-order drugs and helping fund middle-eastern terror cells?
  • Futuristic
    Futuristic Posts: 1,171 Forumite
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    Honestly, my gut feeling is in 5 years or so, we'll look back on BitCoin and say:

    Remember when we convinced ourselves to spend $thousands on bits of worthless computer code that never had more than a niche use outside bartering for mail-order drugs and helping fund middle-eastern terror cells?

    Don't forget the kids looking to get rich quick online by scamming!

    Bitcoins isn't bad where it's used for legal purposes (now, I don't think much) but still some people operate large mining cos in the UK doing well for themselves (or have done in the past few years). If it does get popular, it's good for sellers as there is no option to chargeback (may be useful for online game purchases etc?) but not much for the buyer I guess.

    Anyways, cryptocurrencies are too volatile for anyone sane to invest in as it could drop the day a large drug corp drops dead or it could double the day a drug or illegal underground corp grows.
  • jabba42
    jabba42 Posts: 137 Forumite
    I know someone who was worth over 1 million usd at the peak of bitcoin, now he is worth 400K. This to me is the problem in bitcoin the price volatility.
  • JohnRo
    JohnRo Posts: 2,887 Forumite
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    They'd be better employed putting their energy in to cleaning up the fraudulent cesspit run by banks.
    'We don't need to be smarter than the rest; we need to be more disciplined than the rest.' - WB
  • G6JPG
    G6JPG Posts: 147 Forumite
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    I'm sure I am not alone in not understanding what a bitcoin is! And how you buy, sell, or pay for things with them. If I have say £100 worth, where do I actually have it (what do I actually have)? How do I prove that I do have it (and not £10 or £1000 worth)?

    I've been in electronics and computers for decades, but don't "get" this idea.
  • brendon
    brendon Posts: 514 Forumite
    Honestly, my gut feeling is in 5 years or so, we'll look back on BitCoin and say:

    Remember when we convinced ourselves to spend $thousands on bits of worthless computer code that never had more than a niche use outside bartering for mail-order drugs and helping fund middle-eastern terror cells?

    There are more pounds spent on drugs and middle-eastern terrorism that there are Bitcoins.
  • brendon
    brendon Posts: 514 Forumite
    G6JPG wrote: »
    I'm sure I am not alone in not understanding what a bitcoin is! And how you buy, sell, or pay for things with them. If I have say £100 worth, where do I actually have it (what do I actually have)? How do I prove that I do have it (and not £10 or £1000 worth)?

    I've been in electronics and computers for decades, but don't "get" this idea.

    Firstly, consider what it means to have £100 in actual Great British Pounds. What do you actually have? Nothing. A promise to pay the bearer. That is all.

    Bitcoin is pretty much the same, except that those promises to pay the bearer are stored by everybody who "mines" the network. Basically, there's an online book called the blockchain which keeps track of who owns how many Bitcoins. Thanks to some clever Mathematics, you are able to uniquely prove who owns what. If you have ever sent a signed email, the principle is the same. You have a private key and a public key. You create message which says "Pay Alice X Bitcoin" and sign it with your private key. Then the network can verify that you sent the transaction, by doing some computationally expensive task which rewards the miners with free Bitcoins.
  • Archi_Bald
    Archi_Bald Posts: 9,681 Forumite
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    brendon wrote: »
    Bitcoin is pretty much the same, except that those promises to pay the bearer are stored by everybody who "mines" the network.
    Or by those that vanish overnight.


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/investors-call-for-protection-after-second-bitcoin-collapse-9172076.html
  • jamesd
    jamesd Posts: 26,103 Forumite
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    With a Pound you have the taxable assets of the country supporting the promise to pay.

    With bitcoin you have middlemen who take a cut from each transaction in fees and call themselves miners to make it appear that they are creating something rather than taxing your transactions. The bitcoins paid to miners decrease the average value per bitcoin, a form of built in inflation just like any government printing more money. But you're not charged at the time of the transaction so it can look free. Since the cost is spread over all bitcoin holders you pay it even if you're not doing any transactions yourself.

    Beyond that of course, bitcoin was designed from the ground up to make money for speculators, with a built in shortage of supply that would gradually increase the value per bitcoin over time if it was used or just purchased. It's part of why you see posts here promoting it: just holding them has the potential for designed-in profit if more people can be persuaded to get involved. In that it works like a classic pump and dump email, where just mentioning a share increases liquidity and price by getting people to take a look who wouldn't otherwise have taken a look.

    None of this means that cryptocurrencies are all bad. Just watch out for the ones like bitcoin with built in inflation and concealed cuts for middlemen.

    And of course none of these concerns necessarily apply to digital currencies in general. A Pound Digital could be a completely viable digital currency with the backing of the UK behind it, issued and maintained officially by the UK government, with a value independent of the Pound Sterling. But also perhaps pointless since most of the value of Pounds is already held digitally.
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