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What would it take for you to trust your energy firm?

Former_MSE_Wendy
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edited 13 May 2014 at 8:14PM in Energy
With energy providers' profits and prices both rising so quickly in recent years, and public trust at an all-time low, energy regulator Ofgem is planning to ask the new Competition and Markets Authority to investigate.

Ofgem thinks the low number of people switching means the market isn't working as well as it could. What do you think?

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What would it take for you to trust your energy firm?
What is stopping you from switching?
How could the market work better?

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  • misterbarlow
    misterbarlow Posts: 474 Forumite
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    I work for mine and have done for 15yrs...
    and I still don't trust them!!!
  • dtsazza
    dtsazza Posts: 6,295 Forumite
    MSE_Wendy wrote: »
    What would it take for you to trust your energy firm?
    I already trust them (and all energy firms) to deliver on what's agreed - i.e. to provide electricity and/or gas at the offered and accepted prices, with no price rises for as long as the fixed rate period (if any) lasts.

    I don't think I'd ever trust them to look out for what's best for me - but then I don't think they ought to. Just as with any other company/organisation. As per Martin's philosophy, it's their job to make money and our job to be adversarial consumers.
    What is stopping you from switching?
    Nothing. I do when another energy company offers a deal I consider better. (Usually that means "cheaper", but not always.)
    How could the market work better?
    If there are any failures in the market, it's ultimately going to come down to barriers to entry.

    Let's say there was a market failure, and so existing companies were making unreasonably high profits/return on capital. This should cause others to look on with envy, decide they want a slice of the pie, and start up their own energy company to compete. This new company could undercut the others to gain market share and still make better profits that were available in any other industry.

    End result - new entrants keep crowding out the existing players, unless or until profits are reasonable relative to the investment/risk involved. (That is, setting up an energy company is no longer any more attractive than setting up any other company.)

    If this balance can't happen due to overzealous regulation of new entrants, or astronomical one-time registration fees, or even !!!!!-style threats from other companies, then stopping these would make the market better.

    (On the other hand, if new entrants can enter the market relatively freely, it puts paid to the claims of a cartel. An individual consumer might say they think prices are "too high" - but if every other person with capital considers starting an energy company to be not worthwhile, it strongly suggests there's no surplus profit.)
  • Nada666
    Nada666 Posts: 5,004 Forumite
    Do Ofgem's figures for the 'low' number of switchers account those who have changed tariff but not had to switch supplier? Or, indeed, have checked and not needed to change either?

    I have encountered more than one survey where the only question was over changing supplier.

    Plus as Ofgem has banned two-tier tariffs then this has massively reduced the number of tariffs available to those with a low consumption - clearly churn from them will have been massively reduced (despite the fact they have faced seventy to a hundred percent price increases for two years in a row.)
  • Andy_WSM
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    MSE_Wendy wrote: »
    What would it take for you to trust your energy firm?

    A small miracle!

    Plus, OFGEM need to let the energy companies run the business the way they see fit, with a cap on profits. I'm convinced that OFGEM are helping artificially inflate prices by keep interfering with tariff structures, standing charges etc. No one has ever asked me what I want, yet OFGEM claim to be working in my best interest. Really? Hmmm.
  • undaunted
    undaunted Posts: 1,870 Forumite
    edited 14 May 2014 at 11:38AM
    MSE_Wendy wrote: »
    What would it take for you to trust your energy firm?
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    A lobotomy I would imagine & the same goes for Ofgem. :money:

    Co.s make it as hard as possible for customers to switch in my opinion. Those in financial difficulty & most needing to switch are barred from doing so by the transfer objection process. Ofgem themselves stated this was an uncompetitive practice years ago & still haven't done anything about it.

    The bigger co.s control what the smaller co.s can / will do via the MRA & if they don't agree to maintain the status quo they are simply frozen out of the market.

    Personally in the majority of supplier cases I think them all almost as bad as each other anway - just some are more bad than others rather than any are truly good!
    I work for mine and have done for 15yrs...
    and I still don't trust them!!!

    Is that still dont or more a case of having seen what goes on from the inside thats exactly why you don't? :p
  • historian
    historian Posts: 18 Forumite
    My present supplier has agreed it owes me money but "issues" (??) prevent them letting me have it. Give it to me Npower - I might consider staying with you - or perhaps not.
  • Judi11
    Judi11 Posts: 16 Forumite
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    Bills which are easy to understand i.e. the unit charges clearly match the quoted charges and a realistic monthly debit amount which ensures that the energy company is not keeping hundreds of pounds of our money as a credit, just in case (we are still waiting for a credit from NPower of £600 after we switched from them last year).

    I know all businesses are here to make money, we have 2 businesses of our own, but if you look after your customers you create loyalty and people are much less likely to want to switch. What we have at the moment is a culture where most customers want to switch because they do not have any loyalty but all the energy companies make sure this is difficult so even the most disloyal of customer thinks twice about doing it soon after the last switch.

    It would be great if we could switch our energy to the natural stuff - sun, wind and water - for a fraction of the cost it is now and then not rely on these energy companies.
  • Joyful
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    I totally trust my supplier. The main reasons are ease of access to my bills online, able to control my Direct debits and input meter readings and a system that shows if I change my DD's how much I will be in debit or credit at the end of the plan year. It gives me total control.

    Of course that is for the computer savvy amongst us. For others with no web access they need to have clear bills that say in bold whether it is estimated or actual readings. It should also say that they must contact with accurate meter readings or that they may be building up a debit or credit balance.
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  • Cardew
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    undaunted wrote: »
    Co.s make it as hard as possible for customers to switch in my opinion. Those in financial difficulty & most needing to switch are barred from doing so by the transfer objection process. Ofgem themselves stated this was an uncompetitive practice years ago & still haven't done anything about it.


    If companies couldn't prevent customers, who have built up a large debt, from leaving, some would just switch from company to company leaving a trail of debts behind.


    The money owing would be virtually impossible to recover and other customers would indirectly pay it in even higher bills.
  • Carrot007
    Carrot007 Posts: 4,534 Forumite
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    I already trust them. What they need is respect and they have to earn that!

    However.

    1. OFGEM to stop looking at things and then doing things that just make things a bigger mess.

    2. Removal of the pre-pay market. It is just too costly for both sides for many reasons. Smart meters would make a weekly direct debit a viable alternative for those needing above normal budgetary requirements.
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