Your browser isn't supported
It looks like you're using an old web browser. To get the most out of the site and to ensure guides display correctly, we suggest upgrading your browser now. Download the latest:

Welcome to the MSE Forums

We're home to a fantastic community of MoneySavers but anyone can post. Please exercise caution & report spam, illegal, offensive or libellous posts/messages: click "report" or email forumteam@.

Search
  • FIRST POST
    • Fergie76
    • By Fergie76 21st Sep 12, 2:31 PM
    • 2,163Posts
    • 2,263Thanks
    Fergie76
    Legally Enforceable, DVLA Supported Parking Charge Notices
    • #1
    • 21st Sep 12, 2:31 PM
    Legally Enforceable, DVLA Supported Parking Charge Notices 21st Sep 12 at 2:31 PM
    Well that's what TCP claim.

    http://www.townandcityparking.co.uk/downloads/Clamping_DL_TCP.pdf

    At TCP we have developed robust enforcement
    procedures which combine efficiency with cost
    effectiveness. Rather than clamping, we prefer to
    issue legally enforceable, DVLA supported parking
    charge notices
    .
    I parked at Asda the other day and decide to have look at the signs in the car park. There wasn't much on there tbh, just the usual stuff, what got me thinking was on the sign it said, full T&C's available from TCP. Now just imagine for one minute the contract and penalty could be legally binding, how on earth can you agree to something that you can't see? If all T&C's are not displayed how can you agree to them.

    So that got me looking on TCP's website and came across the above? Does anyone know if a wee email to DVLA might be in order asking if the support TCP's parking charges?
Page 1
  • BASFORDLAD
    • #2
    • 21st Sep 12, 2:37 PM
    • #2
    • 21st Sep 12, 2:37 PM
    Legally enforceable by who?

    I wonder if they went to Solihull college of law along with our other erstwhile PPC owners
    For everthing else there's mastercard.
    For clampers there's Barclaycard.
  • RENEGADE
    • #3
    • 21st Sep 12, 2:44 PM
    • #3
    • 21st Sep 12, 2:44 PM
    Rather than clamping, we prefer to
    issue legally enforceable, DVLA supported parking
    charge notices.
    I think they've been drinking too much of their own TCP - they shouldn't be able to buy it over the counter!

    Shady as clamping was, acceptance of the vile method was never stretched to pay and display contraventions at public car parks in the first place.
  • BASFORDLAD
    • #4
    • 21st Sep 12, 2:49 PM
    • #4
    • 21st Sep 12, 2:49 PM
    I wonder who at the DVLA approved these notices?

    If they did at all..... Bit like companies saying they have been approved by trading standards when its complete tosh
    For everthing else there's mastercard.
    For clampers there's Barclaycard.
  • RENEGADE
    • #5
    • 21st Sep 12, 2:56 PM
    • #5
    • 21st Sep 12, 2:56 PM
    I wonder who at the DVLA approved these notices?

    If they did at all..... Bit like companies saying they have been approved by trading standards when its complete tosh
    Originally posted by BASFORDLAD
    TCP is the author of the falsehood. The DVLA do not even come into this outfit. It is private, law is law, nobody has aspired to prevent the landowner from reclaiming losses; the licensing agency no more influences this sector than DEFRA or the DHSS.
  • BASFORDLAD
    • #6
    • 21st Sep 12, 3:32 PM
    • #6
    • 21st Sep 12, 3:32 PM
    Maybe an email to DVLA is in order?
    For everthing else there's mastercard.
    For clampers there's Barclaycard.
    • maninthestreet
    • By maninthestreet 21st Sep 12, 3:33 PM
    • 14,823 Posts
    • 13,042 Thanks
    maninthestreet
    • #7
    • 21st Sep 12, 3:33 PM
    • #7
    • 21st Sep 12, 3:33 PM
    I suspected they are tryng to make out they are 'DVLA approved' because the DVLA sold them the name and address of the car's RK.
    "You were only supposed to blow the bl**dy doors off!!"
  • RENEGADE
    • #8
    • 21st Sep 12, 9:18 PM
    • #8
    • 21st Sep 12, 9:18 PM
    Precisely, "sold them". The police can obtain all the information they need within seconds on the radio. If these enforcement companies are such an authority, how come they have to stick their hands in their pocket and beg the DVLA for those details.
    • Kite2010
    • By Kite2010 21st Sep 12, 10:36 PM
    • 4,041 Posts
    • 3,410 Thanks
    Kite2010
    • #9
    • 21st Sep 12, 10:36 PM
    • #9
    • 21st Sep 12, 10:36 PM
    Lets start a petition to get the DVLA to raise it's charges, if it's going to sell them the data they might as well make more money from it. Say £10 a shot.

    I know it should be a petition to stop them selling personal data, but that's never going to happen, they won't turn away a few million a year of added income.
    • atrixblue.-MFR-.
    • By atrixblue.-MFR-. 21st Sep 12, 10:47 PM
    • 6,406 Posts
    • 4,431 Thanks
    atrixblue.-MFR-.
    Lets start a petition to get the DVLA to raise it's charges, if it's going to sell them the data they might as well make more money from it. Say £10 a shot.

    I know it should be a petition to stop them selling personal data, but that's never going to happen, they won't turn away a few million a year of added income.
    Originally posted by Kite2010
    go one better petition the DVLA to give us the option on a v5c to OPT OUT of personal data being given or sold to outside or inside depertments except for the plod and HM courts etc, and those who havent opted out to increase the fee's to £10.00 (admin only requirement) fee to recoup the losses from the OPT out scheme with strict data protection legislation in place to control the data exposure excluding the likes of PPC's who will then have no basis to apply for the details as brech of contract would no longer become a viable reason to obtain such details.
    I make spelling mistakes, its not intentional, its a condition I have please afford people who have these conditions some respect and not single out their posts for correcting mistakes.
    • Buzby
    • By Buzby 21st Sep 12, 11:07 PM
    • 7,898 Posts
    • 2,884 Thanks
    Buzby
    No way, I want to retain the right to obtain details of anyone I need to get the details of and am not willing to lose this. If they want to charge firms £10 per enquiry, that's fine - but their business model will dictate the 'fines' will need to increase to cover these costs.
    • assj
    • By assj 21st Sep 12, 11:10 PM
    • 1,975 Posts
    • 814 Thanks
    assj
    go one better petition the DVLA to give us the option on a v5c to OPT OUT of personal data being given or sold to outside or inside depertments except for the plod and HM courts etc, and those who havent opted out to increase the fee's to £10.00 (admin only requirement) fee to recoup the losses from the OPT out scheme with strict data protection legislation in place to control the data exposure excluding the likes of PPC's who will then have no basis to apply for the details as brech of contract would no longer become a viable reason to obtain such details.
    Originally posted by atrixblue.-MFR-.
    This is the real world!

    If they couldn't make money then we would just see the car parks removed and sold to build on.

    We wouldn't gain, so whats the point. Whilst some idiots are paying the tickets the car park doors remain open. If they loose control and nobody pays then why would we even have these car parks open anymore... Even the local gov have sold off so many parking spaces in recent years (Fact)

  • RENEGADE
    No way, I want to retain the right to obtain details of anyone I need to get the details of and am not willing to lose this. If they want to charge firms £10 per enquiry, that's fine - but their business model will dictate the 'fines' will need to increase to cover these costs.
    Originally posted by Buzby
    Nobody is taking away your "right", nor mine. With a raised fee, one will think, "ah, do I really need this information?". If they do, they'll pay £1,000. I mean, if they're right in their demand, they'll get it back in the end.
    • trisontana
    • By trisontana 21st Sep 12, 11:21 PM
    • 8,827 Posts
    • 13,351 Thanks
    trisontana
    I don't think many retail parks or supermarkets would sell off their car parks for building land. Where are their customers going to park? It's in these sort of places were most PPCs operate.

    A better idea is to have pay on exit barriers. That way you get rid of PPCs and the supermarket has control over unauthorised parking.
    What part of "A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boo" don't you understand?
    • assj
    • By assj 21st Sep 12, 11:26 PM
    • 1,975 Posts
    • 814 Thanks
    assj
    I don't think many retail parks or supermarkets would sell off their car parks for building land. Where are their customers going to park? It's in these sort of places were most PPCs operate.

    A better idea is to have pay on exit barriers. That way you get rid of PPCs and the supermarket has control over unauthorised parking.
    Originally posted by trisontana
    True I suppose, I thought that they always cancelled the charges anyway.

    Well I sent a complaint to TCP when I got a ticket on ASDA. Everyone said ignore but I couldn't because I didn't want letters to go to the RK.

    They sent me a letter 3 months later and confirmed that it had been cancelled.

    So I guess ASDA has told them to cancel whatever people complaint about? Why else would they if they want the money so much?

    Anyway I don't get tickets on supermarket car parks, unless I forget to pay! LOL. I can't understand why people overstay... I never consider a car park like this as an option to park for a long time.

    I notice a lot of Local Gov departments are now taking these car parks as their own and dealing with enforcement under off street TRO'S.

    • dacouch
    • By dacouch 21st Sep 12, 11:34 PM
    • 19,540 Posts
    • 11,985 Thanks
    dacouch
    You can get them in some serious trouble for breaching the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations which are the law. Specifically this sub section.

    "4. Not being true to the terms of the endorsement
    Claiming that a trader (including his/her commercial
    practices) or a product has been approved, endorsed
    or authorised by a public or private body when he/she/it
    has not, or making such a claim without complying with
    the terms of the approval, endorsement or authorisation"

    http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/cpregs/oft979.pdf

    Enjoy
    • surfboy1
    • By surfboy1 22nd Sep 12, 12:39 AM
    • 324 Posts
    • 352 Thanks
    surfboy1

    Anyway I don't get tickets on supermarket car parks, unless I forget to pay! LOL. I can't understand why people overstay... I never consider a car park like this as an option to park for a long time. .
    Originally posted by assj
    I never understand why retail parks only have a 2 hour limit to park on them.
    A retail park near me has a whole host of stores, cinema, restraunts, bowling, supermarkets ect. but only has a 2 hour limit on it. That has to be bad buisness for the retailers on there ! I dont know why they let it go on!
    • HO87
    • By HO87 22nd Sep 12, 10:08 AM
    • 4,063 Posts
    • 7,107 Thanks
    HO87
    I never understand why retail parks only have a 2 hour limit to park on them.
    A retail park near me has a whole host of stores, cinema, restraunts, bowling, supermarkets ect. but only has a 2 hour limit on it. That has to be bad buisness for the retailers on there ! I dont know why they let it go on!
    Originally posted by surfboy1
    The 2 hour limit may be displayed in retail parks but will almost certainly be a product of the PPC that patrol it and, IMHO, is simply a tripwire establish to generate revenue. The logic is inescapable. If there are cinemas, bowling allies etc etc then the obvious purpose of the retail park is to draw people in and keep them there until their pockets have been emptied. The time limit is unreasonable and serves only one purpose - and that isn't the overall purpose of the park.
    My very sincere apologies for those hoping to request off-board assistance but I am now so inundated with requests that in order to do justice to those "already in the system" I am no longer accepting PM's and am unlikely to do so for the foreseeable future (August 2016).

    For those seeking more detailed advice and guidance regarding small claims cases arising from private parking issues I recommend that you visit the Private Parking forum on PePiPoo.com
    • peter_the_piper
    • By peter_the_piper 22nd Sep 12, 10:23 AM
    • 23,689 Posts
    • 28,986 Thanks
    peter_the_piper
    Same near us, bowling alley closing due to clampers after 3 hours.
    Millies due back at Christmas.
    • nottoolate
    • By nottoolate 26th Sep 12, 4:01 PM
    • 1,313 Posts
    • 868 Thanks
    nottoolate
    Does anyone know if a wee email to DVLA might be in order asking if the support TCP's parking charges?
    Originally posted by Fergie76
    emailed, and dvla responded thus

    Thank you for your note, which has been passed to me to respond to.

    I can confirm that is a misrepresentation and DVLA does not "support" these notices in the way that the statement could lead people to believe.

    We have asked Town and City Parking to remove this as a matter of urgency and will be reporting this to the BPA.

    Kind regards,


    Data Sharing Team
    Operational Support & Development Directorate | C1/East | DVLA | Swansea | SA6 7JL
Welcome to our new Forum!

Our aim's to save you money quickly and easily. We hope you like it!

Forum Team Contact us

Live Stats

3,088Posts Today

6,057Users online

Martin's Twitter