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    • red devil
    • By red devil 19th May 11, 3:02 PM
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    Question about new deal course content
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    • 19th May 11, 3:02 PM
    Question about new deal course content 19th May 11 at 3:02 PM
    As regards the content of the course, playing games, doing quizzes, team crosswords etc, making things out of paper. Who decides the course content curious?
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  • AdaptiveSequence
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    • 19th May 11, 3:08 PM
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    • 19th May 11, 3:08 PM
    As the providers loathe to spend any of the money the Jobcentre pays them to provide actual training and help to gain employment, they'll go for the cheapest option which is the bare minimum until they can pass you back on to the Jobcentre.
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 19th May 11, 3:26 PM
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    • 19th May 11, 3:26 PM
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    • 19th May 11, 3:26 PM
    As regards the content of the course, playing games, doing quizzes, team crosswords etc, making things out of paper. Who decides the course content curious?
    Originally posted by red devil
    is that really what it is
    Je Suis Charlie
    • red devil
    • By red devil 19th May 11, 3:33 PM
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    • 19th May 11, 3:33 PM
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    • 19th May 11, 3:33 PM
    is that really what it is
    Originally posted by DCFC79
    ive been on one this week and thats what we have been doing so far.
    • teffers
    • By teffers 19th May 11, 3:36 PM
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    • 19th May 11, 3:36 PM
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    • 19th May 11, 3:36 PM
    They're designed (for the most part) as an irritation, but if you're genuinely looking for work (and can read/write/create a CV and put it in an envelope), they're a hinderance.
    • saintjammyswine
    • By saintjammyswine 19th May 11, 3:54 PM
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    • 19th May 11, 3:54 PM
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    • 19th May 11, 3:54 PM
    As the providers loathe to spend any of the money the Jobcentre pays them to provide actual training and help to gain employment, they'll go for the cheapest option which is the bare minimum until they can pass you back on to the Jobcentre.
    Originally posted by AdaptiveSequence
    Sorry but as a provider I have to say this is not true. JCP dont even pay the providers, it comes from funding. Providers do care about the outcomes and progressions into employment. Even the most cynical must understand that some of the areas Ofsted inspect are success rate, outcomes and progressions. To provide a second rate training course to save money could have a huge impact on an Ofsted report and so reduce funding and commercial income in the future. The content is agreed and must meet certain criteria to meet the funding requirements.
    • red devil
    • By red devil 19th May 11, 3:56 PM
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    • 19th May 11, 3:56 PM
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    • 19th May 11, 3:56 PM
    Sorry but as a provider I have to say this is not true. JCP dont even pay the providers, it comes from funding. Providers do care about the outcomes and progressions into employment. Even the most cynical must understand that some of the areas Ofsted inspect are success rate, outcomes and progressions. To provide a second rate training course to save money could have a huge impact on an Ofsted report and so reduce funding and commercial income in the future. The content is agreed and must meet certain criteria to meet the funding requirements.
    Originally posted by saintjammyswine
    what is the thinking behind crosswords, puzzles, games etc?
  • Olive Oyl
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    • 19th May 11, 4:13 PM
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    • 19th May 11, 4:13 PM
    As regards the content of the course, playing games, doing quizzes, team crosswords etc, making things out of paper. Who decides the course content curious?
    Originally posted by red devil
    Ive been on one this week and thats what we have been doing so far.
    Originally posted by red devil
    They're designed (for the most part) as an irritation, but if you're genuinely looking for work (and can read/write/create a CV and put it in an envelope), they're a hinderance.
    Originally posted by teffers


    And people complain about layabout doley's when in fact they do exactly the same on courses only the cost to taxpayer is somewhere in the region of 40 million ?

    Not aimed at you Red Devil , but one would think A4e could at least try and justify the disgusting amount they charge. ( I take it thats who the course provider is Red Devil ?)

    No wonder many people looking for work are disillusioned and demoralised .

    I hope you find something soon .
    Last edited by Olive Oyl; 19-05-2011 at 4:16 PM.
    • red devil
    • By red devil 19th May 11, 4:23 PM
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    • 19th May 11, 4:23 PM
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    its pertemps this provider.
    • saintjammyswine
    • By saintjammyswine 19th May 11, 4:39 PM
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    what is the thinking behind crosswords, puzzles, games etc?
    Originally posted by red devil
    I dont know but for it to get funding there must be a scheme of work in advance of the course highlighting the course content.
  • dmg24
    what is the thinking behind crosswords, puzzles, games etc?
    Originally posted by red devil
    Social interaction, getting your mind working again ... All skills that you are likely to be lacking as a long term dole claimant.
    • red devil
    • By red devil 19th May 11, 7:33 PM
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    Social interaction, getting your mind working again ... All skills that you are likely to be lacking as a long term dole claimant.
    Originally posted by dmg24
    yes of course, i forgot unemployed people dont do voluntary work or mix with others they stay in bed all day! They never have problems to solve or do crosswords or wordsearches.
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