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  • alanobrien
    • #2
    • 20th Feb 05, 11:13 PM
    • #2
    • 20th Feb 05, 11:13 PM
    Hi

    i want to get rid of the artex on my ceiling
    how much would it roughly cost
    living room is 4.22 m x 3.96
    cheers
    by SUPERTED6

    About 24 if you DIY using this stuff from Screwfix

    http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...40987&id=67226
  • robowen
    • #3
    • 20th Feb 05, 11:23 PM
    • #3
    • 20th Feb 05, 11:23 PM
    My brother had this stuff in his bedroom a long long time ago when I lived at home.
    The artex peaks/spikes wern't very big, so a plasterer was able to skim over the ceiling.

    There are a few options to look at.
    1: Remove ceiling completely. plasterboard and skim over. (messy job if you have old lath and plaster ceiling type).

    2: Dab and board over , then skim over with plaster.

    3: Skim over with plaster. providing peaks are not too big.

    4: Hire a machine to grind it off. (extremely messy).

    5: Put up a framework of battens and fit new plasterboard ceiling.

    Take into account how much you want to spend, what is the room to be used for, can it be emptied completely, do you plan to stay in the house.

    Personally, I plan to stay in my house, and I always want a job done properly. I would remove it completely and plasterboard a new ceiling.
    If only everything in life was as reliable...AS ME !!
    robowen 5/6/2005

    ''Never take an idiot anywhere with you. You'll always find one when you get there.''
  • Gaz_Hammer
    • #4
    • 20th Feb 05, 11:24 PM
    • #4
    • 20th Feb 05, 11:24 PM
    Hi,
    IF its the old type artex, then there's a high likelyhood it contains asbestos so get it checked out before you start any work.
    Try contacting your local authorities environmental health dept. to see if they can assist. If not they should point you in the right direction.
    This will probably cost you though but better for you and your families health!

    Gaz

    Edit,
    Just seen RobOwens post and if the ceiling is in good condition then yes skim over it or plasterboard.
    Last edited by Gaz_Hammer; 20-02-2005 at 11:27 PM.
    When you lay turfs its green side up!
  • mariauk
    • #5
    • 20th Feb 05, 11:35 PM
    • #5
    • 20th Feb 05, 11:35 PM
    Hi,
    IF its the old type artex, then there's a high likelyhood it contains asbestos so get it checked out before you start any work.
    Try contacting your local authorities environmental health dept. to see if they can assist. If not they should point you in the right direction.
    This will probably cost you though but better for you and your families health!

    Gaz

    Edit,
    Just seen RobOwens post and if the ceiling is in good condition then yes skim over it or plasterboard.
    by Gaz_Hammer
    How long ago would they have stopped making "old Artex"? I have the whole kitchen covered in it and I know the previous tenant had lived here for 5 years. I am in the "very long" process of using a steamer to get it off as I hate it. Could I be at risk? Thanks
  • mariauk
    • #6
    • 20th Feb 05, 11:37 PM
    • #6
    • 20th Feb 05, 11:37 PM
    My brother had this stuff in his bedroom a long long time ago when I lived at home.
    The artex peaks/spikes wern't very big, so a plasterer was able to skim over the ceiling.

    There are a few options to look at.
    1: Remove ceiling completely. plasterboard and skim over. (messy job if you have old lath and plaster ceiling type).

    2: Dab and board over , then skim over with plaster.

    3: Skim over with plaster. providing peaks are not too big.

    4: Hire a machine to grind it off. (extremely messy).

    5: Put up a framework of battens and fit new plasterboard ceiling.

    Take into account how much you want to spend, what is the room to be used for, can it be emptied completely, do you plan to stay in the house.

    Personally, I plan to stay in my house, and I always want a job done properly. I would remove it completely and plasterboard a new ceiling.
    by robowen

    Lol, Love your Avatar Rob. Not very often you see a man cleaning the toilet
  • Gaz_Hammer
    • #7
    • 20th Feb 05, 11:52 PM
    • #7
    • 20th Feb 05, 11:52 PM
    Hi MariaUK,
    sorry if you feel alarmed at this but its difficult to give proper advice by guessing!
    Artex that usually contains asbestos was applied generally prior to the mid 1970's.

    Have a look here (its a few years old but still relevant)

    If the material is in good condition then its not normally a problem and I think that as you are using a steamer you are probably keeping the material damp which is good!
    Unfortunately its a potential messy subject to really go into so please seek further guidance from your local authority and I hope your ceiling coating is clear or not of an age to be of concern!

    Gaz
    When you lay turfs its green side up!
  • JayS
    • #8
    • 20th Feb 05, 11:53 PM
    • #8
    • 20th Feb 05, 11:53 PM
    Lol, Love your Avatar Rob. Not very often you see a man cleaning the toilet
    by mariauk
    Men are very 'precious' about cleaning toilets, aren't they.

    I have two sons, I've decided to strike a blow for the females-to-be in their lives, as we have three loos in our house they each clean one as part of their pocket money jobs (they are aged 15 and 12) and I, and my husband, clean the other. :rolleyes:

    You should have heard the fuss about it to start with, but they take it in their stride now.
    The only stupid question, is an unasked question ...
  • mariauk
    • #9
    • 21st Feb 05, 12:07 AM
    • #9
    • 21st Feb 05, 12:07 AM
    [QUOTE=Gaz_Hammer]Hi MariaUK,
    sorry if you feel alarmed at this but its difficult to give proper advice by guessing!
    Artex that usually contains asbestos was applied generally prior to the mid 1970's.

    Have a look here (its a few years old but still relevant)

    If the material is in good condition then its not normally a problem and I think that as you are using a steamer you are probably keeping the material damp which is good!
    Unfortunately its a potential messy subject to really go into so please seek further guidance from your local authority and I hope your ceiling coating is clear or not of an age to be of concern!

    Thanks Gaz. Lucky me, the ceiling is actually just plasterd. The fool who lived here before decided to Artex all the walls instead and then paint them in a really sickly yellow Like I say, its only been up for about 5 years so I should be ok. One wall down three to go :rolleyes:
  • mariauk
    Men are very 'precious' about cleaning toilets, aren't they.

    I have two sons, I've decided to strike a blow for the females-to-be in their lives, as we have three loos in our house they each clean one as part of their pocket money jobs (they are aged 15 and 12) and I, and my husband, clean the other. :rolleyes:

    You should have heard the fuss about it to start with, but they take it in their stride now.
    by JayS
    Good for you, Im still trying to get mine to lift the toilet seat up, as for aiming straight, Do they ever learn?
  • N9eav
    Steam and scrape it. Takes ages but works
  • alanobrien
    How long ago would they have stopped making "old Artex"? I have the whole kitchen covered in it and I know the previous tenant had lived here for 5 years. I am in the "very long" process of using a steamer to get it off as I hate it. Could I be at risk? Thanks
    by mariauk

    It is is that old and does contain asbestos it will be Chrysotile (white) which is less hazardous than the blue or brown varieties.

    In essence as long as the asbestos material is bound up in a matrix i.e. mixed with something else and not free floating in air you should be ok.
    In this case of course it would be mixed with fillers and resin.

    Common advice given to anyone removing this stuff is to keep it wet so that it does not go airborn and hence respirable.

    Disposing of it of course is another issue, but there are free registered dumps in most counties.

    I only know this stuff as a company i used to work for used a lot of it to make gaskets and brake linings etc.
  • mariauk
    It is is that old and does contain asbestos it will be Chrysotile (white) which is less hazardous than the blue or brown varieties.

    In essence as long as the asbestos material is bound up in a matrix i.e. mixed with something else and not free floating in air you should be ok.
    In this case of course it would be mixed with fillers and resin.

    Common advice given to anyone removing this stuff is to keep it wet so that it does not go airborn and hence respirable.

    Disposing of it of course is another issue, but there are free registered dumps in most counties.

    I only know this stuff as a company i used to work for used a lot of it to make gaskets and brake linings etc.
    by alanobrien
    Thanks Alan, It is white and sort of leaves a sparkly resadue which I have wiped off with a wet cloth. I will make sure I have my mask on and try and get it done ASAP
  • vansboy
    We have this problem - caused by ourselves, so can't blame previous owners.

    To 'hide' the ld cracked lath/plaster we put Artex on REALLY thick, years ago.It actually looked Ok, back then!

    Last week we had new platerboard layed OVER it, not as much mess as trying to remove just the Artex, let alone the old ceiling!! They removed the loose plaster from some of the walls & completely skimmed over - it looks like a new room, even before it's dried out.

    Quote was 450 but they needed more plaster, after I'd chunked off a lot, whilst removing the old skirting, so felt it only fair to give them another 20 for the extra material.

    In & out in a day & a half!

    So 1 bedroom costs....

    Plasterers 470
    Paint/sealer 70 (B&Q in Hitchin had a pallet of discontinued colours arrive, when we were getting the new skirting, 3, 2.5ltr colours!!
    Skirting/architrave 30
    Carpet 150
    Curtains/light 50
    My time 0000000000000000


    So 800 ish...just to get rid of Artex in a 12'x12' room!!!!!!!

    If you're nearby Herts/Beds, I'll give you the plasterers number.

    VB
  • scottishkat
    i am in the middle of removing artex from my bedroom ceiling and this is the way i am doing it - mix some wallpaper paste so it is really gloopy and paint this on the artex making sure you have a reasonably thick layer. cover the wallpaper paste with a bin bag (the cheaper the better) to stop it drying out and leave it overnight (i have left mine about 4 days and it hasnt dried out) then take the bin bag off and use a scraper to remove the artex. my artex isnt very thick so i dont know how well this will work for other people but it is very cheap to try. i tried the steaming method but found that i wasnt coordinated enough to stand on the top rung of a ladder with a steamer in one hand and a scraper in the other!!!
    i wish i was a glow worm, a glow worm's never glum,
    'cause how can you be grumpy when the sun shines out your bum!!!
  • shrek101
    Funny enough I heard this mentioned on one of those makeover program my wife loves to watch. I think they said the best way was to just get the ceilings skimmed rather than remove the stuff.

    My whole house is covered in it minus the kitchen extension. We never put it up and I wouldn't like to remove it, we lived in this house 14 years now.
  • robowen
    Lol, Love your Avatar Rob. Not very often you see a man cleaning the toilet
    by mariauk
    Not often you see a woman trying to unblock it !!

    Hate to disappoint ladies..... (my avatar) I'm actually trying to retrieve another one of those stupid toilet smellies that hang on the side.

    You know.......the ones I have told err indoors ! time and time again not to buy !!

    And as for the toilet seat....I've tried in vain to get err indoors to leave it up for me !!
    If only everything in life was as reliable...AS ME !!
    robowen 5/6/2005

    ''Never take an idiot anywhere with you. You'll always find one when you get there.''
  • Jeannine
    Just had my (awful) Artex ceiling skimmed by expert plasterer and it looks fantastic. Definitely recommended.
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