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TPS parking ticket and Graham White Solicitors please help
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ryanandamy
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Around Christmas we parked in a Halfords car park went to get cash from the town centre before returning to halfords for a purchase. On return we had been ticketed for 'leaving the site', we got back and saw the advice on leaving the ticket so we did just that......
TPS must have purchased my GF's (the RK) details from the DVLA and are now pestering her parents at her home address with repeated telephone calls!!
Graham white solicitors are still calling and now the parents and my girlfriend (who were initially apprehensive about ignoring it ) are having cows! and if im honest my own resolve is faltering as they dont seem to be going away.
GF has sent letter outlining that she is the RK but was not the driver and would not be responding to anymore letters
This has gone unmentioned in further replies from GW and TPS
This is quickly becoming a nightmare, as the rents are now (rightly) p***d off!
Is there anything we can do ??
Please help you crazy money saving geniuses!!
R and A
Around Christmas we parked in a Halfords car park went to get cash from the town centre before returning to halfords for a purchase. On return we had been ticketed for 'leaving the site', we got back and saw the advice on leaving the ticket so we did just that......
TPS must have purchased my GF's (the RK) details from the DVLA and are now pestering her parents at her home address with repeated telephone calls!!
Graham white solicitors are still calling and now the parents and my girlfriend (who were initially apprehensive about ignoring it ) are having cows! and if im honest my own resolve is faltering as they dont seem to be going away.
GF has sent letter outlining that she is the RK but was not the driver and would not be responding to anymore letters
This has gone unmentioned in further replies from GW and TPS
This is quickly becoming a nightmare, as the rents are now (rightly) p***d off!
Is there anything we can do ??
Please help you crazy money saving geniuses!!
R and A
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ive started getting the phone calls if it helps but no way on gods earth are they gonna get a penny off me. have you been on the pepipoo site ? i read somewhere you can block certain calls if you have bt rental i think you put in 14258 after they call and it blocks it although i ve not tried it myself as im gonna adopt other tactics to cause them maximum hassle ie saying i'll get mr x and then just leave them on the other end whilst i go and watch tv etc or play some loud music down the line for their pleasure or maybe tell them i dont know what they r talking about and tell them to take me to court if they want otherwise ,,,,,,,, off.0
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Report this to the Solicitors Regulatory Authority - in writing.0
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By TPS I take it you mean Total Parking Solutions?
If you Google the words 'Total Parking Solutions forums' and also 'Graham White Michael Sobell' you'll get results from pepipoo, CAG and other respected forums which will show you all about these scammers. They are well known.
Graham White don't do Court so tell your relatives to stop having cows over this scam! Nothing will happen to you/the registered keeper/the car/your possessions or your credit rating...!
On here, we have a thread which tells you about and shows you pictures of the debt collector letters that PPCs use. See here, browse all the linked letters for various PPCs and I reckon you'll see 'your' letters from Graham White (aka Michael Sobell). They are standard letters, computer-generated:
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....php?t=2214803
Hopefully I have given you a nice preview of their next hot air threatogram, or even shown you that you may have reached the last letter from these con-merchants. Just file the letters all away, don't reply again, they WILL fizzle out I promise you. I keep my (2009) PPC ticket and debt collector letters in my handbag to show friends about this scam and to tell them never to pay such a ticket.
Re the phone calls, I posted a reply on a thread recently with suggestions to counteract & stop these:
linky re stopping harassment by phone from debt collectors
Do report Graham White in writing to the SRA as Coblcris says. You can also report them and TPS to your MP, and Trading Standards (Consumer Direct) and the OfT plus the press if you want to.
And I just looked on the TPS website, and very 'helpfully' they have given some useful links for you to report them to as well, LOL! :
http://www.totalparking.co.uk/about.html
TPS are NOT abiding by the BPA code of conduct (Google it and you'll see) so report them to the BPA. I suspect nothing will be done by the BPA as they don't reply to individual complaints - but they have to record the number of complaints about their accredited companies now so every one counts.
As for the DVLA code of conduct I think it is defunct so their claim to that is daft. But just for good measure, why not complain also to the DVLA anyway, about TPS getting and using the registered keeper's data without good cause and to the Information Commissioner about TPS and Graham White still using and storing the registered keeper's personal details without actually having good cause to continue to hold the information (since they've been told the rk was not the driver).
To both ryanandamy and john.xs, this is harassment, read this and make those complaint reports:
http://www.nationaldebtline.co.uk/england_wales/factsheet.php?page=03_harassment
HTH and make sure the relatives read this thread and the links.
They need to understand this is no different than ignoring a series of phishing emails, but that the good news is they can complain about this and make it stop. Harassment is against the law, and you can report them in multiple ways.PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD0 -
The DVLA Code of Conduct is long dead.
Which opens up interesting issues regarding the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations; henceforth 'CPUTR'.
Claiming to be a signatory to a code of conduct when the trader is not.
(SCHEDULE 1) is an Unfair practice and amounts to a criminal offence.
Codes of conduct. In relation to codes of conduct as defined, there are two scheduled offences: falsely claiming to be a signatory to a code of conduct; or that the code has an endorsement from a public or other body.
‘“Code of conduct” means an agreement or set of rules (which is not imposed by legal or administrative requirements), which governs the behaviour of traders who undertake to be bound by it in relation to one or more commercial practices or business sectors’ (reg 2).
Public or other body: e.g .falsely claiming that a code has been approved by the DVLA
CPUTR is worthy of study as almost every set of paperwork i have seen from Private Parking Companies transgresses CPUTR multiple ways.
Much could be written; I point out that it covers services and products:-
The following classes of commercial practice are unfair (reg 3(5)(a)-(c)) and hence prima facie amount to strict liability offences:
(I) Misleading actions (reg 5);
(ii) Misleading omissions (reg 6);
(iii) Aggressive practices (reg 7).
Aggressive practices are common as regular readers here know all too well.
Aggressive commercial practices. CPUTR has a special regime for practices which intimidate or exploit consumers, what it terms ‘aggressive commercial practices’. Reg 7(1) defines a ‘commercial practice’ as ‘aggressive’ -
‘if, in its factual context, taking account of all of its features and circumstances—
(a) it significantly impairs or is likely significantly to impair the typical consumer’s freedom of choice or conduct in relation to the product concerned through the use of harassment, coercion or undue influence; and
(b) it thereby causes or is likely to cause the typical consumer to take a transactional decision he would not have taken otherwise
This requires a commercial practice which ‘in its factual context, taking account of all of its features and circumstances’ does all the following:-
(i) By the use of harassment, coercion or undue influence
(ii) Significantly impairs, or is likely significantly likely to impair, the typical consumer’s freedom of choice in relation to the ‘product’ concerned.
(iii) The typical consumer is therefore likely to take a different transactional decision
In deciding whether the foregoing factors are satisfied, reg 7 casts a wide net,
referring to any of the following matters in relation to the aggressive commercial practice (reg 7(2)):-
‘(a) its timing, location, nature or persistence;
(b) the use of threatening or abusive language or behaviour;
(c) the exploitation by the trader of any specific misfortune or circumstance of such gravity as to impair the consumer’s judgement, of which he is aware, to influence the consumer’s decision with regard to the product;
(d) any onerous or disproportionate non-contractual barrier imposed by the trader where a consumer wishes to exercise rights under the contract, including rights to terminate a contract or to switch
to another product or another trader; and
(e) any threat to take any action which cannot legally be taken’
Further, for our purposes the OFT provides two interesting examples in relation to debt collectors:
a threat to call in the bailiffs to recover an unenforceable debt,
e.g. time-expired and I submit that an alleged debt in the absence of a signed agreement and of a court decision that crystallises the alleged debt; or pressurising a borrower to pay his debts, as by calling at unreasonable times or to unreasonable places, e.g. the debtor’s place of work.
All such aggressive practices are ‘unfair’ (reg 3(5)(c)) and hence prohibited (reg 3(1)):
they may therefore amount to strict liability criminal offences (reg 11),
A general duty not to trade unfairly (reg 8), which only applies where
a trader intends or is reckless as to breach of the standards of professional diligence, so amounting to a mens rea offence in respect of the trader’s conduct. As usual, this conduct is only penalised where it leads to a material distortion in the behaviour of a typical consumer, which causes a transactional decision.
According to reg 8(1) -
‘A trader is guilty of an offence if—
(a) he knowingly or recklessly engages in a commercial practice which contravenes the requirements of professional diligence; and
(b) the practice materially distorts or is likely to materially distort the economic behaviour of the typical consumer (within the meaning of regulation 3(4)) with regard to the product’.
Breach in any of the above ways, among others, is a prima facie criminal offence (reg 12).
Finally, it should be borne in mind that there is in respect of the above offences also a system of collective civil enforcement under Part 8 of the Enterprise Act.
I know for fact that the BPA has insulated themselves from the CPUTR by shifting responsibility to its members as much as it can but that in reality it does very little to uphold the CPUTR.
There is a lot more in these regulations which applies.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2008/draft/ukdsi_9780110811574_en_10 -
What you do when they next call is is as follows
1. Answer call
2. When answered say this "Hang on"
3. Walk over to the radio and turn on.
4. Place receiver next to said radio and go about what you were doing before.
If mobile then place mobile into pocket and leave.I all have learnt is from others on many sites.
Seek legal help if unsure.
Dont pay Private Parking tickets - they are mere invoices.
PRESS THANKS
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...and every so often pick up the receiver and say 'you are in a queue, we will get to you as soon as possible, please do not hang up' :rotfl::rotfl:Thank you all who post.0
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...and every so often pick up the receiver and say 'you are in a queue, we will get to you as soon as possible, please do not hang up' :rotfl::rotfl:
....your call is important to us. You could find the answers online.I all have learnt is from others on many sites.
Seek legal help if unsure.
Dont pay Private Parking tickets - they are mere invoices.
PRESS THANKS
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ive just got a ticket from tps 2day from last week we were shoppin in a few shops then took r dog in 4 a groom that took over 1 hr 45 mins after that we bought a few more things in the shop then went home and 2day got a ticket where do i stand do i pay or not pls help0
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burtonpaul71 wrote: »ive just got a ticket from tps 2day from last week we were shoppin in a few shops then took r dog in 4 a groom that took over 1 hr 45 mins after that we bought a few more things in the shop then went home and 2day got a ticket where do i stand do i pay or not pls help
What you do is ignore. Please read all the other threads on here that deal with private parking tickets. You will see that your case is no different to all the others featured on here.
On a slightly different note, the use of "txt speak" makes your post more difficult to understand.What part of "A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boo" don't you understand?0 -
trisontana wrote: »
On a slightly different note, the use of "txt speak" makes your post more difficult to understand.
I h8 txt spk 2Excel Parking, MET Parking, Combined Parking Solutions, VP Parking Solutions, ANPR PC Ltd, & Roxburghe Debt Collectors. What do they all have in common?
They are all or have been suspended from accessing the DVLA database for gross misconduct!
Do you really need to ask what kind of people run parking companies?0
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