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Cruciate ligament damage in dogs
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Old 13-09-2008, 12:13 AM
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Default Cruciate ligament damage in dogs

Last night my 10 month old Siberian Husky attempted to jump some trellis work in my garden and severely damaged her knee (cruciate ligament) She was referred by our vets to a specialist who has estimated £2500-£3000 for treatment. Luckily we are insured and these costs should be covered.

The vet said it's quite a common injury in dogs so I thought I'd ask if anyone else had experience of this with their dogs and if so how much did you pay for treatment?

Also if you could fill me in on what to expect recovery wise I'd really appreciate it.
She is staying at the vets until Monday and I'm missing her already (over an hours drive to the specialist). The house is soo quiet without her.

I know I'm a pain but forgot to ask the vets and haven't had a pet stay away like this before. Do vets have someone to stay with/check on the animals overnight? Just worrying about her right now.

Forgot to say the treatment involved a TPLO and some bone work to prevent the knee joint popping out easily.

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Old 13-09-2008, 12:24 AM
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Hi Hun, my Yorkie just had op to repair cruciate. Didn't have to stay overnight, had a week on antibiotics and pain killers. The hard thing is trying to keep them from running around and over using it. Rio seemed to recover after about 2 weeks ( ie he could jump up onto the couch again) However, he is limping a bit again, so I don't know whether he has over done it, and damaged it again. The vet warned us that the recovery could be 3 months. So I will take him for a check up, but feel guilty that I haven't restricted his mobility more. The thing is, he is a little fat Yorkie that is not particularly active anyway, so god knows what it must be like to try to limit a big active dogs exercise.

I have no idea if someone stays with them overnight, but I would def think so?

It's cost around 600 so far, insurance covered two thirds.

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I could not help you sadly. But i hope your dog gets better & your feeling better too xxx
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Hi my dog (jess) has had both cruciate ligaments done and has had the same trpe of repair you mentioned. Aftercare wise she was very restriected, no jumping climbing at all for 1 - 2 weeks including steps or stairs, she had to avoid slippery floors completly (wood floors and tiles) she was then allowed to increase her time walking on a lead form 5 mins daily increasing by 5 mins a week until up to 20 mins twice a day. No off lead work for 4 months.

She came home wth antibiotics and 2 types of painkillers.

Your dog should make a full recovery it will just take time.
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Also have a read of this thread

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....html?t=678275

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Thanks for the replies folks. Managed to get some sleep but now I'm awake I'm on edge again, so will ring the vets later to see how she is doing.

Robster hope your little one is ok soon.

I just hope the insurance pays out as it should.
The original vets said that the specialist had been mucked about that much by insurance companies that he required us to pay the fee up front and that we get it reimbursed from the insurance company,so we were worried sick yet again, after all thats what you get the insurance for in the 1st place. There was no way we were able to do this as my OH has just been laid off and spoke to the specialist vet and showed them our documents so he agreed to go ahead on a direct claim from the insurance company.
The worry of having to pay out 3000 there and then was a worry we could have done without to be honest. Now I'd do anything for my dogs but even Paul Daniels couldn't have conjured that amount of money out of thin air.

But that was yesterday and in the past. All I want now is my little girl home safe and sound.
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Hi my dog (jess) has had both cruciate ligaments done and has had the same trpe of repair you mentioned. Aftercare wise she was very restriected, no jumping climbing at all for 1 - 2 weeks including steps or stairs, she had to avoid slippery floors completly (wood floors and tiles) she was then allowed to increase her time walking on a lead form 5 mins daily increasing by 5 mins a week until up to 20 mins twice a day. No off lead work for 4 months.

She came home wth antibiotics and 2 types of painkillers.

Your dog should make a full recovery it will just take time.
good luck

Coco, how long did yours have to stay in for?
This weekend is going to kill me. We hate not having her here and my other husky is missing her terribly too.
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Old 13-09-2008, 10:17 AM
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Hi

My rott has had both legs repaired.....not the TPLO though. Like Jess he had 2 weeks room rest, loo trips on a lead and after the 2 weeks he was lead walked three times a day for 5 minutes, increasing every week for another 5 minutes.

You should be able to collect your dog early next week and that's the time to ask loads of questions about aftercare etc, maybe make a list?They will give you a phone number to call with any queries. Usually the vet hospitals have someone on site 24 hours to monitor the animals.

Also your own vet can be really helpful, they know your dog and can do a checkup if you're worried about anything.

TBH, the recovery time after the ops (he had his ops 3 months apart) was hard work but it was just over a year ago and since last September he has been a totally normal dog regarding exercise, soundness etc. The only difference in him between now and before the injury is that his stride is slightly shorter and he can't clear a 4ft fence from a standstill anymore.

The only caution I would give is to watch carefully for any infection in the wound and to follow the aftercare instructions to the letter as they can really make a difference in how successful the surgery is in the longterm.

My boy came home without painkillers as the vet wanted him to "feel the pain" if he tried to do too much!!! Harsh but I could see what he meant as the dog is a bit of a goon.....

He had antibiotics as he did get an infection after his 2nd op.....but IMHO that was because he had the first leg repaired again as he had damaged the original repair by hurdling a baby gate on his first day home.....see what I mean by a goon????

Not trying to scare you btw, I just wish I'd found out more about the aftercare before I was living it. All you think about is the op itself and the aftercare and recovery period is just as important IYSWIM. The way I got through it was to remind myself that it was a relatively short period of time that would allow the dog to lead a normal active life for years to come.

HTH

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My little (well not so little) pooch tried to jump the 4ft trellis in the garden, her leg went through the gap but she continued over the top she was hanging by her leg and struggling (hence the bad damage) the screams were horrific, I ran out to try get her off but only managed to eleviate the pressure as she was tangled up (she's 28 kilos at 10 months old) luckily the OH closely followed me and we managed to get off (lovely bite marks as a trophy but it wasn't her fault she was scared bless her)
Needless to say it's all coming down I don't want this to happen again...that's if she is able to jump as she did before, but somehow I don't think she will.

Just been looking through the other thread and noticed about the wooden and tiled floors. Will go and get some cheap carpet for her.
Luckily she has a crate and doesn't mind sleeping in it, so keeping her separate from my other dog isn't a problem (they get very boisterous with each other) I have a room divider and stair gates in place already for my dd so keeping her in one room not a problem.
Anything else I may have missed?
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He had antibiotics as he did get an infection after his 2nd op.....but IMHO that was because he had the first leg repaired again as he had damaged the original repair by hurdling a baby gate on his first day home.....see what I mean by a goon????

Not trying to scare you btw, I just wish I'd found out more about the aftercare before I was living it. All you think about is the op itself and the aftercare and recovery period is just as important IYSWIM. The way I got through it was to remind myself that it was a relatively short period of time that would allow the dog to lead a normal active life for years to come.

HTH

O x
Not scared me at all I'd rather know exactly what to expect. As you say the focus is always on the op rather than the aftercare and recovery, so If I can get an idea of whats ahead I'll be better prepared.

Know what you mean about the jumping I'm hoping she doesn't try to jump the safety gates etc in the house after this and cause more damage.
Thanks for your help by the way it's appreciated.
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Both times Jess was in she was allowed to come home the day after her op. Make sure you are able to lift her in and out of the car as she wont be able to do it herself (in other words may be easier if you both go to get her) The first few days are very hard work, we had to have someone sitting next to her all the time (luckily we have kids so we could take it in turns) because if we didn't she would get all distressesd and start to cry, that was a few weeks on the sofa then for me or Oh as she couldnt get up the stairs to where she normally sleeps and was upset being on her own (and yes i know we are too soft with her)

thinking of you and good luck
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I rang the vets earlier and they said she had been sick overnight and had been on fluids. She kept her food down this morning and so they have now taken her off the fluids but apparently she is reluctant to come out of the cage ( I would be too in her position) so they can see if she will put her leg to the floor, she's extending the leg not drawing it up so thats a good sign they say.
Just want to give her a hug and make a fuss over her. I hate being this far away from her but I can't visit as it's a fair distance away for a quick visit and have my dd and ds to look after. In saying that if I was to visit it may distress her more when I left and didn't take her with me (and me too come to think of it)
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About 8 weeks ago, my Alaskan Malamute had a severed cruciate ligament repaired. The hardest part has been keeping him quiet. It didn't help that he had a reaction to the first lot of stitches that caused fluid to build up around his knee which caused his stitches to disolve and his wound to open up

He was kept on lead even to go on the garden for the first 4 weeks. He'd got so much pent up energy and was chomping at the bit to have a good run around. We got around this by taking him to hydrotherapy once the stitches had healed. We found it was a fantastic way to burn some of his energy without putting too much pressure on his joints.

Its only now I'm letting him have short periods of time off lead and he'll not put weight on it if he's done too much.

My boy was in and out of the vets on the same day and the poor lad didn't know what to do with himself when he got home. He slept standing up for 2 days because he couldn't work out how to lie down without it hurting. He was also grumpy and growly because of the pain.

The best advice I can give is stock up on buster collars. I lost count of how many I went through as he smashed them to bits going through doors etc

I hope she's not too sore when she gets home.
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My collie cross has had both a TPLO and a cruciate repair (different legs!).

He had the TPLO in Jan '05 and was in a great deal of pain as he healed, I was injecting painkillers every 4 of hours or so for the first 4 days. He was slow to use the leg after the op and has never been 100% sound on it since.

He had the crucite repair about a year ago. It was a much easier op (and a lot cheaper) and his recovery was a lot quicker.

I'm just glad he only has 2 cruciates!

Hope your dog gets on ok OP xx
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My Dog had TPLO 6 weeks ago. She stayed in overnight then I took her home the next afternoon, At first she had her legged wrapped in a bandage which slowed her down. The next day it was removed by my local vet and we put a headcollar on her to stop her chewing the stitches. The hardest part as everyone says is keeping them less active. I was told for 4 weeks she could have 2 minutes on the leash in the garden. After that 3 X 15 minute walks for another 4 weeks and then a bit more activity for another 4 weeks until checked again (need to find my bit of paper).

As we are half way through the second 4 week period I am finding that the more exercise she has the more she wants to do so is becoming frustrated.She has also had her food reduced by a third as it is very important not to put on weight.

After her stitches were removed at 10 days the headcollar came off. As my dog was very exitable she has been crated since I brought her home whenever I leave the house or at night or if she gets too excitable such as when we get visitors.

You may like to look at this website http://vetsurgerycentral.com/tplo.htm

My Surgeon advised that this more modern and costly operation is more suitable for active dogs. I'm sure your Dog is in very safe hands. Hope this info is useful. My house currently has tables and chairs on the sofas to stop my Dog jumping up. Unfortunately this week she keeps deciding she can still do this though:rolleyes: My suggestion would definately be to crate them after an operation like this. I got a 48" within 2 days via a seller on ebay for under £40.

I also got a dog ramp from Amazon to help me in and out of the car with her to visit the vet. Make sure you don't do your back in.
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Thanks for your replies everyone, they are just what I need to let me know whats ahead of us.

Ruffles- We are definately going to hydrotherapy with her as there is a center close by and well with a 10 month old Siberian Husky I can tell I'm in for trouble with the getting her to rest bit lol.
I'll be sure to bulk buy the collars as she's a little hudini and is bound to get them off somehow and chew them to shreds!! lol

Norbertsmum- Poor thing having to have both his legs done. Does he suffer from any pain or discomfort now? I only ask because the vet said she'll probably be uncomfortable in cold weather (ironic with her being a husky)

Joyful- Glad you mentioned ramps. You've reminded me about the back door too. We have two steps to get out into the garden and she'll not be able to negotiate those and I can't lift her as she's a ton weight to me. Luckily my OH is a joiner so he can make a ramp for the back for her.
Luckily I have a crate and she is quite good in it.
I know what you mean about them getting excited with visitors, she's soo lively and always has to greet folks in her own unique way which is normally to jump on them and lick them lol (if she gets the chance) she'd definately cause herself some pain in doing this.
Just like you we were told that the op she had was the only option as she is young and an athletic dog and would give her the best chance of gaining the mobility she had previously.

Thanks again everyone. xxx

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Just a quick question about our insurance.
We are currently insured by direct line and the max payout per condition is 4000 (had I had known I would have taken out the higher policy!)
Now if she hurts her leg again eg in a few months she rejects the plate or something similar will that be under the same claim or under a new claim?
I'm a bit confused about all this insurance business as you can tell.
Also the policy expires in January so If I were to keep on with Direct Line I know my premiums will go up but if she had further problems assosiated with this accident would this then be classed as a new claim due to the fact it's a new policy? (wish the smilies worked there'd be hundreds of confused ones on this post by now lol)

I know I'm looking too far ahead maybe but I realise that all of this puts her at risk of further complications and just want to be sure I have everything in place so that she is cared for properly if it does happen (heaven forbid!)
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One day to go!!! Can't wait!!

I was told that If they had not rang by 3 to update me I should ring them as they are very busy on a weekend but I can't hold out that long, I want to know if she has had a comfortable night.

My other pooch is off his food because he's missing her. Any ideas what I can do to encourage him to eat? He's a stubborn little mite and I'm fresh out of ideas.
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Our 10 month old Springer had an op on a ruptured cruciate on Thursday and she was out on Friday afternoon.

Hardest thing is stopping her jumping on and off the settee and we're carrying her up and downstairs and lifting her onto the bed at night. Fortunately, once she gets on the bed at night she doesn't move.

She has about a 4 inch scar and we have to take her to the vet in 7 to 10 days to have the stiches out. She hasn't bothered with the stiches so doesn't have to wear a collar.

We've been told she can have 3 ten minute walks a day on a lead and then she will see the specialist again in 4 weeks. She is on antibiotics and anti inflammatories for 2 weeks too. So far it has cost approx 1,500 and will hopefully be covered by insurance.

She's not happy about being left behind when the other two go out but apart from that she's been fine, eating, drinking and toileting normally.
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Mrscarney- Hope your little one is okay soon and thanks for posting. Does she seem in much pain/discomfort?
I hadn't thought about her reaction to my other pooch going for his walks until you said. Oooh she'll not be happy at all and will sulk for England.


I will spoil her rotten when she gets home.


Can you believe I have had some stupid people (not on here may I add) saying she's just a dog and considering the cost why didn't I just get her put down!!
I told them she's more than a dog, she's a member of my family and as such is treated no differently. Would they go and get a member of their family "put out of their misery" just because they had injured themselves or were costing them "too" much money...that soon shut them up!
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