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    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 20th Feb 17, 11:59 AM
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    Fun & Games - PIP
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    • 20th Feb 17, 11:59 AM
    Fun & Games - PIP 20th Feb 17 at 11:59 AM
    Just had a letter from the DWP telling me that my DLA award is now suspended because I have not returned the PIP2.
    The form was sent to them on the 9th Feb - it was due back by the 12th. I paid 7.20 for Special Delivery as well and have a printed copy of when and who signed for it at 5.32am on the 10th Feb
    Anyhow just put the phone down on them and they say that the form is not in their office.
    My DLA will remain suspended until such time as the form is returned by the 12th March.

    Should I just hold fire and wait and see what happens? I don't have a form to fill in nor do I have the evidence that went with the original form?

    I'm sure that they are trying to make my life hell but I wont let them. Quite honestly I don't particularly care if I get the award or if they refuse to reinstate my DLA - I'll drop in a claim for Attendance Allowance instead.
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    • Tommo1980
    • By Tommo1980 12th Mar 17, 5:36 PM
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    It is also ridiculous to keep blathering on about the ex prime ministers who claimed DLA. They were claiming for a child! Cameron's son required round the clock care and is now dead.

    Why shouldn't the system be there to support children with disabilities, irrespective of their parents income.
    Last edited by Tommo1980; 12-03-2017 at 5:38 PM.
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 12th Mar 17, 5:46 PM
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    It is also ridiculous to keep blathering on about the ex prime ministers who claimed DLA. They were claiming for a child! Cameron's son required round the clock care and is now dead.

    Why shouldn't the system be there to support children with disabilities, irrespective of their parents income.
    Originally posted by Tommo1980
    Well said

    Unfortunately, another one of Rockingbilly's distraction techniques
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 12th Mar 17, 8:06 PM
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    It is also ridiculous to keep blathering on about the ex prime ministers who claimed DLA. They were claiming for a child! Cameron's son required round the clock care and is now dead.

    Why shouldn't the system be there to support children with disabilities, irrespective of their parents income.
    Originally posted by Tommo1980
    But did they need the money?

    I stand accused of not needing the money as I have a good income already and don't have any extra costs.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 12th Mar 17, 8:12 PM
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    I use all of my extras to fund my disability including my PIP. As others do i'm sure. What did you use yours for, oh yes you didn't you gave it away to your kids because like you said "you didn't need the money" I rest my case....
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    If people were honest enough it wouldn't surprise me that many actually don't have any extra costs. What should they do? Not make a claim? I would think that most would keep quiet and say nothing using the money for other things than extras brought about because of a disability.

    I would love someone who doesn't have extra costs explain to me what they do with their DLA/PIP payments together with the extra received when claiming a means tested benefit.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 12th Mar 17, 8:15 PM
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    Anyhow this thread is going way off.

    I now know what to do and will fight the DWP in any way possible to ensure that what is rightfully mine is paid to me. What I choose to do with the money is down to me.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 12th Mar 17, 8:19 PM
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    Well said

    Unfortunately, another one of Rockingbilly's distraction techniques
    Originally posted by NeilCr
    I read, but correct me if I am wrong, that you are a volunteer benefit advisor based in the West Country.
    Now for someone to profess to be engaged in that activity do you normally deal with people that you are trying to help gain PIP in the same way that you are making comments about my claim?
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 12th Mar 17, 8:24 PM
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    But did they need the money?

    I stand accused of not needing the money as I have a good income already and don't have any extra costs.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    You're standing accused of being a hypocrite. You say you do not need the money and yet complain about the overall disability budget being too high. But my main concern is you do continually try to distract and deceive and that leads me to my original view that what you write should be assumed to be for effect more than substance. Hence you are difficult to advise... I've never been happy to accept you never took seriously the PIP descriptors in your application or that you didn't read your PIP2 before signing and sending. All I can say is that I appreciate that some of your behaviours and claims may ironically be indicative of why you should indeed qualify for PIP and in that regard I can only wish you the best of luck... I don't really think any further advice can be safely given.
    "Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 12th Mar 17, 8:47 PM
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    You're standing accused of being a hypocrite. You say you do not need the money and yet complain about the overall disability budget being too high. But my main concern is you do continually try to distract and deceive and that leads me to my original view that what you write should be assumed to be for effect more than substance. Hence you are difficult to advise... I've never been happy to accept you never took seriously the PIP descriptors in your application or that you didn't read your PIP2 before signing and sending. All I can say is that I appreciate that some of your behaviours and claims may ironically be indicative of why you should indeed qualify for PIP and in that regard I can only wish you the best of luck... I don't really think any further advice can be safely given.
    Originally posted by Muttleythefrog
    I think that most would agree that the DLA budget was out of control by the end.
    Yes of course I looked at the descriptors - that was the very reason that I wanted help to fill out the form. At the time I could not, in my mind, work out how they would apply to me. They seemed so narrow. Obviously I found out later on here that you have to look at them with a different view point.
    I didn't have any input into what was written on the form other than to answer questions put to me. I did look at the completed from but only so far as to get beyond the first 5 or so pages. I did notice that bits were not as inclusive as I had described - medicines etc.
    But given that I was up against the clock to get the form back to the DWP I never got the chance for someone else to review what the form said. In fact for most of it the handwriting was so bad that I could not understand it.
    The form was filled in on the Monday and it had to be back with the DWP by the Friday Hence posted Special Delivery on Thursday am.
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 12th Mar 17, 8:47 PM
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    I read, but correct me if I am wrong, that you are a volunteer benefit advisor based in the West Country.
    Now for someone to profess to be engaged in that activity do you normally deal with people that you are trying to help gain PIP in the same way that you are making comments about my claim?
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    You read wrong. As usual

    I deal with people face to face regularly and help them the best way I can. I try to help people on here if I can. But I am not "at work" when posting on here. I don't have to observe the niceties that I do there and just occasionally someone pees me off and I get a chance to rant. So here you go

    We are literally rushed off our feet. The vast majority of us are volunteers who give their time and trouble to help people who need support, advice, assistance whatever. You've openly said on here that you have a top of the range car, you give your benefits to your grandkids, you don't need the money etc. Fine that's your decision. I can quibble with that and I do but hey - that' s who you are. Most people on here have you sussed that's for sure.

    But, you know what got to me. You whined because you contacted the CAB and you didn't hear for seven weeks. If their branch is anything like the advice centre I am at they are incredibly busy. I am sure they said they would ring you back. I think there is a reasonable chance that something went astray amongst the mayhem and volunteers writing up cases, seeing lots of clients etc etc and they lost sight of the need to call you. It happens - I know that myself

    But you couldn't get off your !!!! to call, email or drop in and politely ask if they could let you know what's happening. But you have time to come on here and moan, grumble and divert threads with the latest "disaster" in your world

    And breathe

    So no I don't deal with clients the way I speak to you - but, equally, I don't think I have come across anyone face to face anything like you.

    I wonder if I'll get banned for this?

    • CTcelt1988
    • By CTcelt1988 12th Mar 17, 9:07 PM
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    Well said NeilCr.
    Last edited by CTcelt1988; 12-03-2017 at 9:33 PM.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 12th Mar 17, 9:54 PM
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    You read wrong. As usual

    I deal with people face to face regularly and help them the best way I can. I try to help people on here if I can. But I am not "at work" when posting on here. I don't have to observe the niceties that I do there and just occasionally someone pees me off and I get a chance to rant. So here you go

    We are literally rushed off our feet. The vast majority of us are volunteers who give their time and trouble to help people who need support, advice, assistance whatever. You've openly said on here that you have a top of the range car, you give your benefits to your grandkids, you don't need the money etc. Fine that's your decision. I can quibble with that and I do but hey - that' s who you are. Most people on here have you sussed that's for sure.

    But, you know what got to me. You whined because you contacted the CAB and you didn't hear for seven weeks. If their branch is anything like the advice centre I am at they are incredibly busy. I am sure they said they would ring you back. I think there is a reasonable chance that something went astray amongst the mayhem and volunteers writing up cases, seeing lots of clients etc etc and they lost sight of the need to call you. It happens - I know that myself

    But you couldn't get off your !!!! to call, email or drop in and politely ask if they could let you know what's happening. But you have time to come on here and moan, grumble and divert threads with the latest "disaster" in your world

    And breathe

    So no I don't deal with clients the way I speak to you - but, equally, I don't think I have come across anyone face to face anything like you.

    I wonder if I'll get banned for this?

    Originally posted by NeilCr
    Brilliant post! here's to you
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 12th Mar 17, 11:25 PM
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    You read wrong. As usual

    I deal with people face to face regularly and help them the best way I can. I try to help people on here if I can. But I am not "at work" when posting on here. I don't have to observe the niceties that I do there and just occasionally someone pees me off and I get a chance to rant. So here you go

    We are literally rushed off our feet. The vast majority of us are volunteers who give their time and trouble to help people who need support, advice, assistance whatever. You've openly said on here that you have a top of the range car, you give your benefits to your grandkids, you don't need the money etc. Fine that's your decision. I can quibble with that and I do but hey - that' s who you are. Most people on here have you sussed that's for sure.

    But, you know what got to me. You whined because you contacted the CAB and you didn't hear for seven weeks. If their branch is anything like the advice centre I am at they are incredibly busy. I am sure they said they would ring you back. I think there is a reasonable chance that something went astray amongst the mayhem and volunteers writing up cases, seeing lots of clients etc etc and they lost sight of the need to call you. It happens - I know that myself

    But you couldn't get off your !!!! to call, email or drop in and politely ask if they could let you know what's happening. But you have time to come on here and moan, grumble and divert threads with the latest "disaster" in your world

    And breathe

    So no I don't deal with clients the way I speak to you - but, equally, I don't think I have come across anyone face to face anything like you.

    I wonder if I'll get banned for this?

    Originally posted by NeilCr

    All I have ever wanted from this forum is help to try and sort out the mess I seem to be in.
    If someone tells me that they will ring to make an appointment that is what I expect. It's not for me to chase them up on the off chance that they have forgotten about me. I took the time and trouble to approach them so in return I expect the same.
    Have you any idea what it is like having to ask for help? When in the past I was a lot more able and fit enough to look after my own affairs?
    Do you not realise that people actually believe and rely on professionals for that help?
    To have it suggested that it is my fault that somebody forgot to contact me is beyond belief.

    Actually I don't need all of this back biting, I have problems with my PIP claim which most are now suggesting is entirely my fault.

    So by that token anybody that has problems with their PIP claim it must have been self inflicted.
    Great, a brilliant bit of advice.
    And finally if that is your opinion - 'So no I don't deal with clients the way I speak to you - but, equally, I don't think I have come across anyone face to face anything like you' I do hope that I never meet an advisor with that attitude should I ever need to visit the CAB in the future.
    • CTcelt1988
    • By CTcelt1988 13th Mar 17, 6:50 AM
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    Rockingbilly now throwing his toys out of his pram.

    To be honest, you've had more help on here then you deserve. You've been hypocritical in your posts and also been rude to other posters.

    It's up to you what you want to do to get PIP. You can't expect everything done for you.
    • NeilCr
    • By NeilCr 13th Mar 17, 7:20 AM
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    All I have ever wanted from this forum is help to try and sort out the mess I seem to be in.
    If someone tells me that they will ring to make an appointment that is what I expect. It's not for me to chase them up on the off chance that they have forgotten about me. I took the time and trouble to approach them so in return I expect the same.
    Have you any idea what it is like having to ask for help? When in the past I was a lot more able and fit enough to look after my own affairs?
    Do you not realise that people actually believe and rely on professionals for that help?
    To have it suggested that it is my fault that somebody forgot to contact me is beyond belief.

    Actually I don't need all of this back biting, I have problems with my PIP claim which most are now suggesting is entirely my fault.

    So by that token anybody that has problems with their PIP claim it must have been self inflicted.
    Great, a brilliant bit of advice.
    And finally if that is your opinion - 'So no I don't deal with clients the way I speak to you - but, equally, I don't think I have come across anyone face to face anything like you' I do hope that I never meet an advisor with that attitude should I ever need to visit the CAB in the future.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly

    Yes. I know what it is like to ask for help. Yes I know that people need us. I see it every day I am at work (and remember this work is volunteering) and I've been doing it a long time now.

    If you walked through our door I would treat you exactly the same as anyone else. You would get your form completed and I would be nice and polite to you. As I said, though, I'm not at work when I am posting on this forum so I can take a bit of a different slant.

    Nice bit of twisting by the way - you do that a lot. I didn't say it was your fault that nobody contacted you. I did say that when they didn't contact you you could have chased them up. In the end it's your form and you have to take some responsibility in getting it completed and in on time. And, nope, not everyone's problem with their PIP form is self inflicted - no idea how comments about the way one person does things can be extrapolated to that
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 13th Mar 17, 8:57 AM
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    Yes. I know what it is like to ask for help. Yes I know that people need us. I see it every day I am at work (and remember this work is volunteering) and I've been doing it a long time now.

    If you walked through our door I would treat you exactly the same as anyone else. You would get your form completed and I would be nice and polite to you. As I said, though, I'm not at work when I am posting on this forum so I can take a bit of a different slant.

    Nice bit of twisting by the way - you do that a lot. I didn't say it was your fault that nobody contacted you. I did say that when they didn't contact you you could have chased them up. In the end it's your form and you have to take some responsibility in getting it completed and in on time. And, nope, not everyone's problem with their PIP form is self inflicted - no idea how comments about the way one person does things can be extrapolated to that
    Originally posted by NeilCr
    I did take responsibility for the form after not being able to access Welfare Rights - I went to the Jobcentre for help.
    As for 'twisting' comments, I have to do that in life when I feel vulnerable if someone is getting too close to me. It is a form of self protection by diverting things away from me. Diversion is to me far better than facing the prospect of rejection.
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