Rejection of delivery

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  • Tigsteroonie
    Tigsteroonie Posts: 24,954 Forumite
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    There's a copy of the T&C from February 2017 on waybackmachine: https://web.archive.org/web/20170225215017/https://www.joessausages.co.uk/about/terms-and-conditions.html

    Don't know if that helps or if it's too old.
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  • unholyangel
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    Looks like theyve changed to T&C's to suit themselves too as they say 'If an item is held at the Post Office awaiting collection and it is not subsequently collected, or if a delivery is refused and then returned to us we will NOT be liable for a refund, even if a member of Parcel Force tells you otherwise.'


    You could have really done with a screenshot of them before your complaint. Is there any way (google cache etc) that the T&C's can be checked before amended?

    This is a snapshot of their T&C's from Feb 2017. The only difference to todays is that todays version includes a section on damaged packaging.

    Cached T&C's


    ETA: dammit, beaten by a minute! :p
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  • AndyMc.....
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    :mad: This is the reply that I have just received when I questioned if I would receive a refund or reattempt at delivery. :mad:

    “Unfortunately, Parcel Force are not authorised to advise you to refuse your delivery. I suggest that you make contact with the depot that delivered your goods (and they should be able to advise who your delivery person was) and you should attempt to seek compensation from Parcel Force, we will be unable to compensate you or send your new order. When you placed your order you will have ticked the box that confirms you are happy with our terms and conditions.
    I'm sorry, but there really is nothing more I can do to help, especially as it is now more than 2 weeks since you refused the parcel”


    I replied: (when I say ‘I’ I mean ‘we’ given that most of the wording is from your replies!) :rotfl:

    ‘Many thanks for your reply.
    I note that you mention it has been two weeks since I rejected the order, just to clarify I made contact on the 29th December Via Instagram but to no avail until this evening when I received a reply stating that they had just noticed my message.
    Secondly, as usual protocol for refunds are typically 10-14 days I assumed I would receive a refund within the time frame - when I did not,I sent you another email to chase this.

    I had no idea how the transport company stores items in its warehouse, was it in an office type environment or outside in the sun?,
    Joe’s cannot put a blanket "we put enough cool packs in to last x hours".

    I advised by the delivery firm to reject, which I did, the delivery firm knows how the goods were handled.

    As the meat could then have got cold again in the back of the van, there is no way that I could be CERTAIN that the meat was not going to cause serious harm, and thats a pretty important point on food stuff to be fit for purpose.

    The driver, right or wrong he may be, this is an issue between the seller (you) and the courier (ParcelForce)

    This is a clear cut refund case, and whilst I appreciate your T&C’s -I am confident my statutory consumer rights over perishable goods supersede’s this.


    I am also confident that you have received the goods back after the rejection in the same condition it was dispatched, therefore I am still eligible for a full refund inclusive of delivery as you as a company are not at a loss of product.

    If you unable to resolve this I shall seek legal advice and take this further as a statutory right under the Consumer Rights act 2015.

    I look forward to receiving my refund and should you need any further information to support the transaction please feel free to drop me a message & I will be happy to assist’

    So why did you reject them?
  • Money_maker
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    Tigsteroonie and unholyangel, thank you you clever people. Unfortunately it does still mention parcel force employee so that blows my theory out of the water.
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  • Tattynatty2011
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    If your goods have not arrived by 1pm on your preferred delivery day, YOU MUST contact us by email at joe@joessausages.co.uk and inform us that your parcel is late. We will endeavour to track it for you. Failure to advise us on the day your parcel was due to be delivered means that we cannot be held liable for the failed delivery and you will not be compensated for the loss of your goods. We will always endeavour to help track your parcel but the courier must have chance to track it and rectify any delivery mistakes.


    Did you do this OP?

    No I did not, as stated I was out at the time and had to make the decision via telephone - I didn't see the parcel in the first instance as it was a day late.
  • Tattynatty2011
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    So why did you reject them?

    Because it was a late, I was not present at the time however I was advised to reject as it had been stored in the warehouse.


    I was unsure in what conditions it had been stored and had to make a decision based on the couriers comments.

    Edit : I've just seen your bold comment, I was suggesting that the box was returned unopened and damage free.
  • AndyMc.....
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    Because it was a late, I was not present at the time however I was advised to reject as it had been stored in the warehouse.


    I was unsure in what conditions it had been stored and had to make a decision based on the couriers comments.

    Edit : I've just seen your bold comment, I was suggesting that the box was returned unopened and damage free.

    On one hand you’re saying they’re unfit for consumption due to storage and on the other you’re saying there’s nothing wrong with them.

    How much are we talking about?
  • Tattynatty2011
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    On one hand you’re saying they’re unfit for consumption due to storage and on the other you’re saying there’s nothing wrong with them.

    How much are we talking about?

    The meat *may* have been unfit for consumption, when I say returned in its original condition, I haven't worded it correctly, it was in reference to the condition of the packaging as it was not opened by myself nor the driver in my company or my colleagues.
  • AndyMc.....
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    The meat *may* have been unfit for consumption, when I say returned in its original condition, I haven't worded it correctly, it was in reference to the condition of the packaging as it was not opened by myself nor the driver in my company or my colleagues.

    How do you knew w what the packaging was like if you never saw it?
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