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I was pm'd by someone who had had a threat of a court claim on a debt where the creditor had never responded to a cca request. I tried to reply that if the debt was coming up to being statute barred I would leave it alone but if only a year or two into that period I might engage using a letter like this.

I couldn't reply as the poster blocked my pms but in order not to waste a standard letter here it is.

Dear Sirs

Ref: xxxxxx

Thank you for your letter dated XX XXXX 2015. As the letter contains a threat of litigation, it is being treated as a formal letter before action. As such, I refer you to paragraph 3 of the Practice Direction Pre-Action Conduct, which states: “before commencing proceedings, the court will expect the parties to have exchanged sufficient information to (a) understand each other’s position; (b) make decisions about how to proceed;”

Paragraph 6 states “the parties should exchange correspondence and information to comply with the objectives“ and Paragraph 6 (c) refers to “the parties disclosing key documents relevant to the issues in dispute.” My request refers to the documents I require to obtain the necessary information to assess my position in this case.

I require copies of the following:

1.The credit agreement;
2.The default notice;
3.The notice of assignment;
4.Statements of account;

These documents would be expected to be supplied if proceedings were issued and would likely be in your possession if you were issuing a claim. If you consider that there is difficulty in providing a copy of a document, please identify that document and the reason.

Additionally, there is a duty to supply documents under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. A request has been made under s.78 on [INSERT DATE YOU SENT YOUR CCA REQUEST] and I am awaiting a response from your client.

I shall being able to provide you with a full response to your letter within 14 days of receipt of the documents listed above and also reserve the right to refer to the contents of this letter if proceedings are issued without first providing copy documents to me.

Yours faithfully,
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  • Narkynewt
    Narkynewt Posts: 118 Forumite
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    fatbelly wrote: »
    I was pm'd by someone who had had a threat of a court claim on a debt where the creditor had never responded to a cca request. I tried to reply that if the debt was coming up to being statute barred I would leave it alone but if only a year or two into that period I might engage using a letter like this.

    I couldn't reply as the poster blocked my pms but in order not to waste a standard letter here it is.

    Dear Sirs

    Ref: xxxxxx

    Thank you for your letter dated XX XXXX 2015. As the letter contains a threat of litigation, it is being treated as a formal letter before action. As such, I refer you to paragraph 3 of the Practice Direction Pre-Action Conduct, which states: “before commencing proceedings, the court will expect the parties to have exchanged sufficient information to (a) understand each other’s position; (b) make decisions about how to proceed;”

    Paragraph 6 states “the parties should exchange correspondence and information to comply with the objectives“ and Paragraph 6 (c) refers to “the parties disclosing key documents relevant to the issues in dispute.” My request refers to the documents I require to obtain the necessary information to assess my position in this case.

    I require copies of the following:

    1.The credit agreement;
    2.The default notice;
    3.The notice of assignment;
    4.Statements of account;

    These documents would be expected to be supplied if proceedings were issued and would likely be in your possession if you were issuing a claim. If you consider that there is difficulty in providing a copy of a document, please identify that document and the reason.

    Additionally, there is a duty to supply documents under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. A request has been made under s.78 on [INSERT DATE YOU SENT YOUR CCA REQUEST] and I am awaiting a response from your client.

    I shall being able to provide you with a full response to your letter within 14 days of receipt of the documents listed above and also reserve the right to refer to the contents of this letter if proceedings are issued without first providing copy documents to me.

    Yours faithfully,

    Please can you help me? I have just put an offer in on a my dream home, which has been accepted. My credit file is clean and I have got a mortgage in principle.

    Today I received a letter from Moriarty law aka motormile regarding an old payday loan from 5 years ago. They must have seen that there has been recent activity on my file and decided to act, I have ignored loads of letters from them and now they have sent me a CCJ court letter.

    I am unsure as to how to proceed to not leave any footprint on my credit file. If I really need to pay it I will have to borrow the money from my mum, its £900 which I don't have at the moment as I have all of my money put aside for my deposit etc.

    At the moment there is nothing showing from them on my credit file.

    If I pay I am worried they will put it on my credit file as a settled default which will stop me getting my mortgage (even if settled) as I can't have any defaults settled or not within 3 years.

    If I ignore them and get the ccj I understand if I pay it within 28 days it won't show on my file is this correct? Will nothing be put on there at all?

    If I send them an email like yours will it stop them being able to put anything at all on my credit file for a few weeks? I need 6 weeks, that's all before everything is done and dusted and I get the keys to my home, and it's mine!

    Please help, this couldn't have come at a worse time!

    Thanks in advance.
  • sourcrates
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    Hi,

    If paid within 28 days the CCJ won't appear on your file, but the default still will.

    Get in touch with them to pay it off, but as a condition of that, make sure you ask them for your credit file to remain clear of this debt, in your negotiations.

    How soon are you exchanging contracts as the court case could take a few months.
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  • Narkynewt
    Narkynewt Posts: 118 Forumite
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    sourcrates wrote: »
    Hi,

    If paid within 28 days the CCJ won't appear on your file, but the default still will.

    Get in touch with them to pay it off, but as a condition of that, make sure you ask them for your credit file to remain clear of this debt, in your negotiations.

    How soon are you exchanging contracts as the court case could take a few months.

    There's no default at the moment, would this appear if I was taken to court for a ccj? I am worried about opening negotiations with them because I did this with another default last month and it appeared on my file and the lady said there was nothing she could do?

    Should I just sit it out and wait for the ccj to go through then pay it within 28 days because there's no default at the moment.

    My mortgage will be going through in 6 weeks maximum. Should I email them and tell them I intend to contest or will this make them put the default on my File? Thank you so much for replying x
  • sourcrates
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    There is no way of knowing to be honest.

    You can stall them by asking for information on the debt, that might buy you a month or so, credit files are updated monthly also, there is no way of knowing how they will react, but usually asking for proof of the debt (in writing) has the effect of putting everything "on hold".

    That might be your best course of action right now.
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  • Narkynewt
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    I don't care if it goes on my file the day after we exchange contracts! Any time before will ruin my mortgage chances. If only I had known this 5 years ago when I was an idiot getting out a loan I couldn't repay!!

    I will send them an email tomorrow asking for them to put a hold on the account and to provide further documentation, such as the original side contract etc.

    I will take it that during this time they can't put the default on my credit file as it's on hold?

    After they provide all of the documents I will then enter into negotiations with them about paying it as long as it stays off my file. Hopefully it will take them a while to get the documents together that I am asking for.

    I am so stressed over this! :(
  • fatbelly
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    When you say 'they have sent me a CCJ court letter' I assume they have sent you a letter threatening court action, not an actual court claim from a court.

    If so, then my letter is appropriate but not the paragraph starting 'additionally' unless you have sent them a cca request, and you can't ask for item 3 if it's still with the original lender.

    I am aware there is a specific pre-action protocol for debt claims coming in in 6 weeks, and will edit post#1 then
  • Narkynewt
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    I'm sorry I don't understand the last sentence? You mean they must reply to me within 6 weeks legally? I am going to email them now so they put a hold on my account, hopefully all of my credit checks for my mortgage will be done within the next 6 weeks so nothing will show up until after.
  • fatbelly
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    No, that comment was intended for others reading the thread. There is a rule change coming that will make it a bit more difficult for companies to start court claims.

    There was a theory that it would mean a rush to start court action before 1 October. I haven't really noticed it, but it may be a factor in your case.
  • Narkynewt
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    Oh right, ok, I am about to send them an email and have asked they put a hold on my account until they provide me with the documents I have requested, does that also mean they cannot add anything to my credit file during this time?

    Thanks
  • sourcrates
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    missmarra wrote: »
    Oh right, ok, I am about to send them an email and have asked they put a hold on my account until they provide me with the documents I have requested, does that also mean they cannot add anything to my credit file during this time?

    Thanks

    Nothing is guaranteed unfortunately.
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