Minimum age for corporate bonds purchase?
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Short version - Can I buy Corporate Bonds for my children or do they have to do it when they are 18?
Just to be clear I am not on about the NS&I bonds but bonds sold by corporations and countries such as BP, Bank of America or Spain, Brazil etc.
Just to be clear I am not on about the NS&I bonds but bonds sold by corporations and countries such as BP, Bank of America or Spain, Brazil etc.
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Someone under the age of 18 can't enter into a contract to buy a listed financial instrument or sign up to loan money to a government or corporation in a debt issue.
You can buy in bare trust on their behalf (so that the assets belong to them beneficial but you legally). A bare trust is the simplest type of trust with them having the absolute right to the assets once they hit 18 at which point they could demand you transfer into their direct ownership.
Alternatively if you are the parent/guardian you could buy the assets for them inside a Junior ISA, if the child is not already over their contribution limit for the year.
*edit : if you're financially savvy enough to be looking at buying individual corporate and government bonds for your children, you're probably well aware of the parental settlement rules in s629 (the "£100 rule") which treats their income as belonging to their parent for tax purposes if the parent funded the account or settled the trust. Giving your kids a load of cash still gets it out of your estate for inheritance tax purposes (subject to the usual rules) because the assets gifted are no longer yours, but doesn't save your income tax bill if they earn over £100 of income from the trust in a year. You can avoid that by having the trust funded by someone else -e.g. grandparents, generous uncles - or by using a JISA where there's no income tax anyway.0 -
Thanks for the quick reply. Unfortunately, more questions :-)
- With regards to ISAs and the annual allowance. It this calculated on the investment alone or does it include the interest as well as the initial investment?
- When looking at Junior ISAs the guidance is kind of vague; stocks and shares can be invested in the JISA but this means (by the way I am reading it) that bonds are not allowable?
- JISAs seem quite tax inefficient as interest from a gift over £100 is taxed at the parents rate.... This surely defeats the purpose of an ISA?
Bare Trusts - Again the guidance is pretty vague, can I invest bonds in these?0 -
- With regards to ISAs and the annual allowance. It this calculated on the investment alone or does it include the interest as well as the initial investment?- When looking at Junior ISAs the guidance is kind of vague; stocks and shares can be invested in the JISA but this means (by the way I am reading it) that bonds are not allowable?
So, that includes qualifying shares listed on a recognised stock exchange (including AIM) whether ordinary shares or preference shares; qualifying investment trusts; open-ended funds such as Oeics, unit trusts, UCITS investing in a whole range of stuff (including bonds); individual gilts, bonds, PIBS, and so on.
Of course, individual ISA managers may not all offer every type of investment under the sun. Not every family wants their kids to be able to have bonds dealt for them so some managers don't add facilities that are unpopular or niche - and instead cater to the mass market with funds or investment trusts.- JISAs seem quite tax inefficient as interest from a gift over £100 is taxed at the parents rate.... This surely defeats the purpose of an ISA?
The parent can't just dump cash in as a vehicle for family savings and take it back a couple of years later having used the child as a tax shelter, because the money can't come back out until age 18 when the JISA converts to an adult ISA in the name of that "new adult". So there was no reason to rewrite the £100 rule to cover JISAs.Bare Trusts - Again the guidance is pretty vague, can I invest bonds in these?0 -
Bowlhead thank you SO much, I wasted nearly 3 hrs trying to get a straight answer... Got to love Google, lol.
As an aside, do you have any websites/books you would recommend for investing as an amateur as I have about 6 months before I will be coming into £30k and I would love to invest this but dont want my fingers burnt.0 -
Don't let the £100 rule confuse the issue too much - each adult has a £1,000 personal savings allowance anyway. Are you earning that much from money invested outside of tax shelters?
You've got 6 months to start learning the basics, so you've got time to read from many sources and start getting a feel for some of the terms used.
When I start investing, I happened upon a couple of books by Alvin Hall and found them really straightforward to get to grips with. You'll soon outgrow them, but he writes in an accessible way.
A website with a bit more depth is https://www.monevator.comI've got a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel.0 -
Surely there should be some antenatal allowance for potential citizens to invest in bonds and a pension. This is the UK, this is what we are about !
J_B.0
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