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Civil Enforcement Ltd; Particulars of Claim

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  • Lamilad
    Lamilad Posts: 1,412 Forumite
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    A good start. As Redx says you just need to check that the things you're staying are true and not just blindly copied from another CEL defence.
    f you were not the driver, there should be a paragraph clearly stating that
    This is important. Your opening post does not suggest you were the driver so as long as you've never told CEL who was driving then you defend this as the keeper only.

    Research some more defences - CEL, VCS, Excel etc and find a good paragraph that says they don't rely on PoFA, they have no proof of driver and so cannot hold the keeper liable
  • Redx
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    read this one and see if its got the stuff you need or if its a better "fit"

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5663140

    do not tell "lies" , even if its only because you have copied and pasted from another thread

    you are signing a legal document and saying its the truth , the whole truth and nothing but the trruth, so whatever is in it had better be
  • parkpark123
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    Thank you again.

    Will look for relevant email addresses.

    Claim form signed by CEL, particulars of claim signed by Ashley Cohen.

    I will not be including paragraphs claiming I wasn't the driver. So is a paragraph that says they don't rely on PoFA irellevant?

    Have taken name out and emailed re username.

    I have read my draft and the one I used for it carefully and it is all true. I will reread it and check again as I am sure to have blind spots to look out for.

    Should I add anything else?
  • Coupon-mad
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    I will not be including paragraphs claiming I wasn't the driver. So is a paragraph that says they don't rely on PoFA irrelevant?

    Nope! It's vital.

    Quite right, don't lie, we never suggest that. But the claim is theirs to prove, and to hold a keeper liable they MUST use the POFA. If they didn't then you don't have to say who was driving, even if the keeper was driving. They lose.
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  • parkpark123
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    Redx - have read the draft you suggested. I would probably say it's all relevant except for the parts about inadequate signage. However if it is agreed my draft above is ok then should I go ahead and use that?
  • parkpark123
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    Coupon-mad - can you point me towards a PoFA related paragraph I could modify and use?
  • Coupon-mad
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    You need 'inadequate signs' (yes, they WERE inadequate) and you need 'no keeper liability'. That's what sees CEL off.

    You can find an example by searching the forum for 'Greenslade defence CEL'. Shows loads of results, including the thread by ParkyPark just days ago.
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  • Redx
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    frankly, very few signs are "adequate" as most fail the relevant CoP and various "rules" like the Denning rule,

    and as mentioned above, it is the task of a PPC to prove their case to a judge, so anything you put into a defence , they have to prove it meets the required standard

    so I doubt that the PPC signage passes the CoP test, so signage is ALWAYS queried in popla appeals and in court cases

    so personally I would add something that says it failes the relevant CoP and the BEAVIS test etc

    it cannot be put in later if omitted now , so better to have it in than not , making them prove their signage meets the relevant tests (like PE proved in the BEAVIS case, like Lord Dennings red hand rule etc)
  • parkpark123
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    Ok, taking the signage and PoFA into account I will use the draft suggested.
    How does this sound:

    In the County Court Business Centre
    Between:
    Civil Enforcement Limited
    V
    DEFENDANT

    I, DEFENDANT, deny I am liable to the Claimant for the entirety of the claim for each of the following reasons:

    1. The Claim Form issued on the 13th June 2017 by Civil Enforcement Limited was not correctly filed under The Practice Direction as it was not signed by a legal person but signed by “Civil Enforcement Limited”.

    2. This Claimant has not complied with pre-court protocol. And as an example as to why this prevents a full defence being filed at this time, a parking charge can be for trespass, breach of contract or a contractual charge. All these are treated differently in law and require a different defence. The wording of any contract will naturally be a key element in this matter, and a copy of the alleged contract has never been provided to the Defendant.

    (a) There was no compliant ‘Letter before County Court Claim’, under the Practice Direction.

    (b) This is a speculative serial litigant, issuing a large number of identical 'draft particulars'. The badly mail-merged documents contain very little information.

    (c) The Schedule of information is sparse of detailed information.

    (d) The Claim form Particulars were extremely sparse and divulged no cause of action nor sufficient detail. The Defendant has no idea what the claim is about; why the charge arose, what the alleged contract was; nothing that could be considered a fair exchange of information. The Claim form Particulars did not contain any evidence of contravention or photographs.

    e) The Defence therefore asks the Court to strike out the claim as having no reasonable prospect of success as currently drafted.

    f) Alternatively, the Defendant asks that the Claimant is required to file Particulars which comply with Practice Directions and include at least the following information;

    i. Whether the matter is being brought for trespass, breach of contract or a contractual charge, and an explanation as to the exact nature of the charge

    ii. A copy of any contract it is alleged was in place (e.g. copies of signage)

    iii. How any contract was concluded (if by performance, then copies of signage maps in place at the time)

    iv. Whether keeper liability is being claimed, and if so copies of any Notice to Driver / Notice to Keeper

    v. Whether the Claimant is acting as Agent or Principal, together with a list of documents they will rely on in this matter

    vi. If charges over and above the initial charge are being claimed, the basis on which this is being claimed

    vii. If Interest charges are being claimed, the basis on which this is being claimed

    g) Once these Particulars have been filed, the Defendant asks for reasonable time to file another defence.

    3. The Claimant failed to meet the Notice to Keeper obligations of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Absent such a notice served within 14 days of the parking event and with fully compliant statutory wording, this Claimant is unable to hold me liable under the strict ‘keeper liability’ provisions.!

    There can be no 'presumption' by the claimant that the keeper was the driver. Henry Greenslade, lead adjudicator of POPLA in 2015 and an eminent barrister and parking law expert stated that “However keeper information is obtained; there is no ‘reasonable presumption’ in law that the registered keeper of a vehicle is the driver. Operators should never suggest anything of the sort.”

    Schedule 4 also states that the only sum a keeper can be pursued for (if Schedule 4 is fully complied with, which it was not, and if there was a 'relevant obligation' and relevant contract' fairly and adequately communicated, which there was not) is the sum on the Notice to Keeper. They cannot pluck another sum from thin air and bolt that on as well when neither the signs, nor the NTK, nor the permit information mentioned a possible £305.35 for outstanding debt and damages.

    4. The Claimant has added unrecoverable sums to the original parking charge. It is believed that the employee who drew up the paperwork is remunerated and the particulars of claim are templates, so it is simply not credible that £50 'legal representative’s (or even admin) costs' were incurred.

    5. This case can be distinguished from ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 (the Beavis case) which was dependent upon an undenied contract, formed by unusually prominent signage forming a clear offer and which turned on unique facts regarding the location and the interests of the landowner. Strict compliance with the BPA Code of Practice (CoP) was paramount and Mr Beavis was the driver who saw the signs and entered into a contract to pay £85 after exceeding a licence to park free. None of this applies in this material case.

    6. In the absence of any proof of adequate signage that contractually bound the Defendant then there can have been no contract and the Claimant has no case.

    a) The Claimant is put to strict proof that at the time of the alleged event they had both advertisement consent and the permission from the site owner to display the signs.

    b) In the absence of strict proof I submit that the Claimant was committing an offence by displaying their signs and therefore no contract could have been entered into between the driver and the Claimant.

    c) Inadequate signs incapable of binding the driver - this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case:

    (i) Sporadic and illegible (charge not prominent nor large lettering) of site/entrance signage - breach of the POFA 2012 Schedule 4 and the BPA Code of Practice and no contract formed to pay any clearly stated sum.

    (ii) Non existent ANPR 'data use' signage - breach of ICO rules and the BPA Code of Practice.

    (iii) It is believed the signage was not lit and any terms were not transparent or legible; this is an unfair contract, not agreed by the driver and contrary to the Consumer Rights Act 2015 in requiring a huge inflated sum as 'compensation' from by an authorised party using the premises as intended.

    (iv) No promise was made by the driver that could constitute consideration because there was no offer known nor accepted. No consideration flowed from the Claimant.

    (v) The signs are believed to have no mention of any debt collection additional charge, which!
    cannot form part of any alleged contract.

    d) BPA CoP breaches - this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case:

    (i) the signs were not compliant in terms of the font size, lighting or positioning.

    (ii) the sum pursued exceeds £100.

    (iii) there is / was no compliant landowner contract.


    7. No standing - this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case:

    It is believed Civil Enforcement do not hold a legitimate contract at this car park. As an agent, the Claimant has no legal right to bring such a claim in their name which should be in the name of the landowner.

    8. The Beavis case confirmed the fact that, if it is a matter of trespass (not breach of any contract), a parking firm has no standing as a non-landowner to pursue even nominal damages.

    9. The charge is an unenforceable penalty based upon a lack of commercial justification. The Beavis case confirmed that the penalty rule is certainly engaged in any case of a private parking charge and was only disengaged due to the unique circumstances of that case, which do not resemble this claim.

    The Defendant denies any liability whatsoever to the Claimant in any matter and asks the Court to note that the Claimant has:

    (a) failed to disclose any cause of action in the incorrectly filed Claim Form issued on 8th June 2017

    (b) Sent a template, well-known to be generic cut and paste 'Particulars' of claim relying on irrelevant case law (Beavis) which ignores the fact that this Claimant cannot hold registered keepers liable in law, due to their own choice of non-POFA documentation.

    10. The additional particulars of claim are signed purportedly by Ashley Cohen, Mr Cohen was reported to sign off witness statements under London Councils POPLA on behalf of landowners, for CEL POPLA cases falsely stating authority. It is submitted that he is a director of another company, Bemrose Mobile Limited which supplies the pay by phone payment methods for parking. Mr Cohen was a former director of Creative Contracts Ltd but has since resigned. Mr Cohen is therefore put to strict proof the capacity and authority he has in signing such statements.

    The vague Particulars of Claim disclose no clear cause of action. The court is invited to strike out the claim of its own volition as having no merit and no reasonable prospects of success.

    I confirm that the above facts and statements are true to the best of my knowledge and recollection.

    Signed
    Date
  • parkpark123
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    Are these the correct emails to send defence to?

    MCOL: mcol@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk

    CEL: appeals@ce-service.co.uk
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