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PCM Ticket whilst parked outside a friends house visiting, do i pay?

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  • infernouk
    infernouk Posts: 166 Forumite
    edited 14 July 2017 at 12:40PM
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    primarily it seems odd to me they would state that taking a permit was the same as signing a contract, and then reference the sign as a contract despite previously saying in the statement that the wording on the sign isnt of importance, hence they are arguing that you dont need to sign a contract and its wording isnt important???
  • DoaM
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    #4 So what? The defendant is perfectly entitled to seek support from anywhere they like! Everything PCM/Gladstones have done to date have been templates. Even the court claim was a robo-claim.
  • DoaM
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    infernouk wrote: »
    primarily it seems odd to me they would state that taking a permit was the same as signing a contract, and then reference the sign as a contract despite previously saying in the statement that the wording on the sign isnt of importance, hence they are arguing that you dont need to sign a contract and its wording isnt important???

    This blog from Pranky may be useful. :)

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/ukpc-lose-residential-case-tenant-can.html
  • infernouk
    infernouk Posts: 166 Forumite
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    DoaM wrote: »
    This blog from Pranky may be useful. :)

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/ukpc-lose-residential-case-tenant-can.html

    so i shouldn't be worried? it seemed quite aggressive, and yes very templated ironically! (its surely different for a non legal professional to seek internet help than a law firm ha!)
  • Coupon-mad
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    It's the same as all the other Witness Statements written by Gladstones recently, have a look round, they are a template. In this one, they even left in stuff about 'Heath Parade' (a PCM site) in a WS signed by a completely different parking firm saying it was a statement of truth within her personal knowledge:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5510516&page=2

    I did have a chuckle about how the witness (in that linked case) was going to explain the football analogy in Alder v Moore (and I speak as a female football fan, not suggesting all women are clueless about the beautiful game, but suggesting that the case makes no real sense in this context and would be funny to see a witness wriggle around trying to explain something they didn't write!).
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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  • DoaM
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    Other's will be able to confirm whether or not you still can, but you should look to try and include that case reference into your defence somehow as it seems (to me) to be directly relevant to your case.
  • infernouk
    infernouk Posts: 166 Forumite
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    Coupon-mad wrote: »
    It's the same as all the other Witness Statements written by Gladstones recently, have a look round, they are a template. In this one, they even left in stuff about 'Heath Parade' (a PCM site) in a WS signed by a completely different parking firm saying it was a statement of truth within her personal knowledge:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5510516&page=2

    I did have a chuckle about how the witness (in that linked case) was going to explain the football analogy in Alder v Moore (and I speak as a female football fan, not suggesting all women are clueless about the beautiful game, but suggesting that the case makes no real sense in this context and would be funny to see a witness wriggle around trying to explain something they didn't write!).

    too be fair the football thing threw me as i thought they accidentally copy pasted it from a different case until i read on!

    So is there any specific changes I need to make in combat to this for my own statement? or do i just follow what was set out in my defence despite their attempts to debunk it? Im a bit more nervous having actually seen some substantial content from them now rather than the bare minimum!
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 131,777 Forumite
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    Have a look at the efforts made by Matthew87 in his thread, his OneDrive still shows his method of attack (including the matter of Rights of Audience, to ambush the rep on the day).
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  • infernouk
    infernouk Posts: 166 Forumite
    edited 15 July 2017 at 4:45PM
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    Coupon-mad wrote: »
    Have a look at the efforts made by Matthew87 in his thread, his OneDrive still shows his method of attack (including the matter of Rights of Audience, to ambush the rep on the day).

    Hey there

    I have written my statement, but unsure the best way to share it? at this stage am i able to post a fully non redacted version with my evidences online? As i assume i have to share it to Gladstone regardless?

    if so here is the statement along with the agreement and 2 other statements:
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/me8kyef9w43msk6/AAD3cYJ2CjRrdYdVbpS-QP7Ua?dl=0
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 131,777 Forumite
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    As i assume i have to share it to Gladstone regardless?

    Yes, everything goes to Gladstones & the court.
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