Pregnant and job searching, can I change my mind?
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No I absolutely would not want to employ a pregnant person - and people like your colleague really annoy me too! I know someone (a teacher) who keeps having babies to avoid having to return to work!! :mad:
My issue really is that I need to work and feel this company may be my only hope. But at the same time, I do not want to “mug them off” so to speak as they really did seem like a lovely bunch of people! Its a question of morals and ethics really.
And therein why this board has such problems.
A pregnant person searching for a job who wouldn't employ a pregnant person themselves, coming on here for a moral and ethics debate whilst criticising some one else for having babies.Originally Posted by shortcrust
"Contact the Ministry of Fairness....If sufficient evidence of unfairness is discovered you’ll get an apology, a permanent contract with backdated benefits, a ‘Let’s Make it Fair!’ tshirt and mug, and those guilty of unfairness will be sent on a Fairness Awareness course."0 -
I'd love to think that there aren't really people on this planet who keep having babies purely to avoid going back to work, but somehow I suspect there are - and, in my view, that's very sad indeed.0
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And therein why this board has such problems.
A pregnant person searching for a job who wouldn't employ a pregnant person themselves, coming on here for a moral and ethics debate whilst criticising some one else for having babies.
1. Well would you want to employ someone, train them up only for them to leave in 4 months??
2. I was not looking for any kind of a debate, just some friendly advice.
3. I would never criticise someone for being pregnant!! I am referring to people who intentionally abuse the system like the one I mentioned - who openly admits to doing it! These people spoil it for the rest of us, and I can see why employers would be wary of employing a pregnant woman for this very reason. Pregnant women have a right to work and earn like everyone else.0 -
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I'd love to think that there aren't really people on this planet who keep having babies purely to avoid going back to work, but somehow I suspect there are - and, in my view, that's very sad indeed.
If there are there can!!!8217;t be many, looking after an endless chain of babies and toddlers is much harder than most jobs, they!!!8217;d have to be pretty dim or really really love nappies and sleepless nights.0 -
Anne
You are entitled to work but as you are probably aware most employers probably won't be to chuffed to find you will be off pretty much 3 months down the line for up to one year.
Only a suggestion to try and solve the moral side and would require you to be honest to the employer and not screw them but...
Tell them you are pregnant, tell them that you can't claim SMP (whilst most employers can claim all this back some still have a cost) and tell them you will only claim the holiday earnt whilst at work (legally you are entitled to it all...however I believe the employer only has to give you the opportunity to take it...if you don't then it is up to you).
I'm sure some will baulk at the idea but its totally understandable you want to work and it seems a fair solution to me.
They may of course still say no but they also may say yes and allow you to take all holiday...or you may just meet in the middle as i suggest.
Nothing to lose by asking.Don't trust a forum for advice. Get proper paid advice. Any advice given should always be checked0 -
1. Well would you want to employ someone, train them up only for them to leave in 4 months??
Well, *anyone* can leave in 4 months! That's the risk you take with EVERYONE!
A lot of people these days think "old-school" and hold the same reservations as you with pregnant women/disabled people. It is human nature to be like that, more so given this was fairly normal only within a lifetime!
The UK currently gives pregnant women a fair crack at gaining employment, though, and you have to adapt to that way of thinking. So in that respect, pregnant women should (and mainly do) get judged solely on their suitability for the role.
So I personally WOULD hire a pregnant woman IF she was the best candidate for the job. If she was the most capable. Sure, it would suck her going off for a few months BUT I would be hopeful that she would be more than willing to return after the pregnancy.2. I was not looking for any kind of a debate, just some friendly advice.
Well, in post 11 you stated a personal opinion and diverged from your mainly questions-based/factual first post. Brining in opinion, and a rather contentious one at that, leaves you open for debate.
Well ok, fair point BUT you did say:3. I would never criticise someone for being pregnant!! I am referring to people who intentionally abuse the system like the one I mentioned - who openly admits to doing it! These people spoil it for the rest of us, and I can see why employers would be wary of employing a pregnant woman for this very reason. Pregnant women have a right to work and earn like everyone else.
"I absolutely would not want to employ a pregnant person"
That's sort of pigeonholing ALL pregnant women, and not just the ones who abuse the system... Try and be a bit more congruent, either be 100% against hiring pregnant people (which is discrimination) or those who abuse the system (which is also discrimination, but morally understandable to an extent).0 -
Tell them you are pregnant, tell them that you can't claim SMP (whilst most employers can claim all this back some still have a cost) and tell them you will only claim the holiday earnt whilst at work (legally you are entitled to it all...however I believe the employer only has to give you the opportunity to take it...if you don't then it is up to you).
OP cannot choose to forego the annual leave accrued during maternity leave. She could unofficially agree not to pursue them for the time or payment, but that agreement would have no official standing and she could then sue the employer for the payment and potentially for discrimination.
It's a good idea, but no rational employer would agree to it.0 -
BorisThomson wrote: »OP cannot choose to forego the annual leave accrued during maternity leave. She could unofficially agree not to pursue them for the time or payment, but that agreement would have no official standing and she could then sue the employer for the payment and potentially for discrimination.
It's a good idea, but no rational employer would agree to it.
I understand that, which was why I was saying the OP would need to be honest.
If the OP did enforce the holiday pay after saying she wouldn't then considering she will be of maternity leave and under two years the employer could quite easily remove her with little comeback.Don't trust a forum for advice. Get proper paid advice. Any advice given should always be checked0
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