Independence?

bigheadxx wrote: »

None of them have a permanent seat on the UN security council. None of them are sovereign states as they belong to the EU and Euro.

I think you must have known from my post that I was referring to membership of the United Nations and not it's Security Council which has only 15 members.

They are all sovereign states by definition. I would refer you to the Oxford dictionary "Sovereignty, the authority of a state to govern itself."
By your comment you would be suggesting that the UK is not a sovereign state, are you?

zee wrote: »

How can snp fight for independence...and want to join eurozone???
I for one prefer a stable uk parliment [ ok with faults ] against the eurozone run by political princes who do not seem to answer to anyone outside their 'cliques ' no sign off on accounts ,if you vote no ,rerun vote untill yes vote ect, after ww2 ,[ ok history] NOT one in eurozone paid a penny to almost bankrupt uk [ norway did ] and us spent a fortune to repair europe free of charge [ marshall plan ] with nothing to uk, even the convoys of aid from usa were paid in advance by uk [ our gold was sent to canada and each sum was transfered to usa BEFORE convoy left usa shore] all sunk shipping had been paid in advance.
i'm scottish for life but belong to the uk for life ,only my family comes first.

Hi Zee, there are lots of powers we would gain from independence which are not affected by EU membership here are some:

We get to decide which wars we take part in and which ones we don't.

We don't need to spend millions on fighter jets, army tanks and guns every few years because the UK fancies a "square go" in Afghanistan, Iraq, Russia, Bosnia, Ireland (insert latest war here).

We can decide whether to keep nuclear weapons on our land or remove them, again, saving millions of pounds.

We can decide whether to invest in the enormous renewable energy potential we have in Scotland, worth millions of pounds for centuries into the future and (crucially) how to invest the proceeds.

Westminster have wasted 30 years worth of oil money which could have been used to keep us all debt free

We get to decide on changes to our benefits system, rather than putting up with the bedroom tax (a tory policy designed for the south-east but imposed on the rest of the UK)

And it may also help you to know that we have paid £64 billion more into the UK than we have received back over the last 30 years.

The arguments for staying in the UK are so weak and illogical and I'm sure as people look at the arguments on both sides they will realise that the most exciting future for Scotland is one where we can govern ourselves.

jj_5 wrote: »

We can decide whether to keep nuclear weapons on our land or remove them, again, saving millions of pounds.

And cost hundreds of jobs and decimate the Rosyth area.

jj_5 wrote: »

We can decide whether to invest in the enormous renewable energy potential we have in Scotland, worth millions of pounds for centuries into the future and (crucially) how to invest the proceeds.

And how much will that put on the average electricity bill? If energy companies want to invest in the future then they should use the investment markets rather than expect consumers to foot the bill. Also there will be no proceeds to spend, renewables are subsided quite heavily, we are lining the pockets of SSE and the like.

jj_5 wrote: »

Westminster have wasted 30 years worth of oil money which could have been used to keep us all debt free

Money which has reduced taxes, built schools and hospitals and paid for plenty, if you think we'd be debt free after independence you are deluded.

jj_5 wrote: »

We get to decide on changes to our benefits system, rather than putting up with the bedroom tax (a tory policy designed for the south-east but imposed on the rest of the UK)

The Scottish parliament has the powers and the money to reverse the impact of the bedroom tax, it failed to do anything about it apart from Sturgeon bumping her gums.

jj_5 wrote: »

And it may also help you to know that we have paid £64 billion more into the UK than we have received back over the last 30 years.

You do of course have a reliable link to those figures?

Oooh look, another of the planks of independence up for negotiation...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27024682

Holly_dolly wrote: »

I know which way I'm voting I'm sick of the Westminster ministers telling us what to do, we need to see actions from the no camp to fully decide our choice... Don't see much coming from them except scare tactics.

I think that tactic will backfire.

If you have people continually telling you that you can't do something, you'll never succeed, you can't do anything without us etc. there comes a point when you go ahead and do it just to show them you can.