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Bank with Barclays, Halifax or Co-op? You may need to pay tax on your rewards

Current account 'rewards' may not be included in the Personal Savings Allowance - a new scheme reducing savings tax...
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  • zolakesb
    zolakesb Posts: 24 Forumite
    No rewards are given to you as a token of appreciation.
  • oldagetraveller
    oldagetraveller Posts: 3,653 Forumite
    I'm afraid Faye needs to brush up on her grammar too.
  • eskbanker
    eskbanker Posts: 37,635 Forumite
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    edited 5 July 2016 at 4:59PM
    No idea why MSE considers this to be news many months after it was debated to death on numerous threads about how PSA only applies to interest rather than cashback/rewards that have always been taxable....

    Edit: it was established that these non-interest payments wouldn't be covered by PSA five months ago in https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5407456
  • pinkdalek
    pinkdalek Posts: 1,355 Forumite
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    So?
    I'd much rather receive some reward from a bank rather than nothing from the likes of HSBC/RBS/Nat West.

    I really won't sleep tonight now that I know I have paid £15 tax on my Reward current account from the Halifax.

    There really are more pressing things in life to get your teeth into and worry about than this article. Move on........
  • Ectophile
    Ectophile Posts: 8,022 Forumite
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    As someone who has managed to avoid filling in tax forms so far, I really have no desire to have to inform the tax people of anything.

    Luckily, I'm with Lloyds, who just pay interest, rather than some reward scheme.
    If it sticks, force it.
    If it breaks, well it wasn't working right anyway.
  • There's no 'may' about it. The Halifax reward is not interest.
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  • RedDwarf82
    RedDwarf82 Posts: 179 Forumite
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    edited 6 July 2016 at 12:21AM
    Co-Op and Halifax, sure. But when did the Barclays thing became so clear???

    Barclays doesn't discount the 20%, they always use "may" when saying it "may be subject to income tax".

    https://www.help.barclays.co.uk/faq/accounts/added-features/tax-blue-rewards.html
    Rewards you receive for being part of Barclays Blue Rewards may be subject to income tax and you may need to declare them to H M Revenue & Customs. If you’re unsure whether you need to declare your rewards, you should speak to an independent financial adviser.
    http://www.barclays.co.uk/bluerewards/rewards
    Rewards you receive for being part of Barclays Blue Rewards may be subject to income tax and you may need to declare them to HM Revenue & Customs.
    And then we have this article first saying
    This reward's classed by HMRC as 'miscellaneous income' and isn't included in your PSA, so IS subject to income tax.
    and later
    They're not covered by the PSA but not taxable either. Barclays says that's because they're classed as 'miscellaneous income, cashback or a discount.'
    Plus in http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=70534081&postcount=119 it is said:
    My sister is self employed (basic taxpayer) and has to complete a self assessment form and has just opened a Barclays Blue Reward account. After reading this thread she contacted HMRC to find out if she needs to pay tax on the rewards and where to put it. They told her that NO she does not need to pay tax on the reward and also there is no place on the form to put rewards as this is not interest or other income. She did mention reading this forum.


    The member of staff checked with the tech team and they also confirmed that Barclays Blue rewards are not taxable at present as nowhere to put on the self assessment form.
    In any case, if the Barclays £7 is taxed it's not very clever from Barclays.
    Had they just given £4 you would get £3.20 or £2.4. But giving £7 and charging you £3 you get £2.6 or £1.2. High-rate tax payers get *half* the money because of the stupid £3 fee.
  • King_Of_Fools
    King_Of_Fools Posts: 1,607 Forumite
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    It would be helpful to add to the article where on the tax form these annual payments should be declared.
  • pochisoldi
    pochisoldi Posts: 343 Forumite
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    I can't see how the whole £7 can be taxable.
    Surely only the "net profit" is taxable.

    And even more confusing is the way that Barclays throw their hands in the air and tell their customers that it is their problem. HMRC aren't going to tell taxpayers about specific cases - that's why it's called self assessment.

    I can see that Barclays are going to end up in hot water at some point because "annual payments" should have tax deducted at source (same rule now as before), and a certificate of tax deduction provided to the customer. This provides a flag to low income customers - "Might be able to reclaim the tax" or higher rate taxpayers - "Have to declare this". Instead they get nothing and a potential tax bill + interest when HMRC catches up with them.
  • RedDwarf82
    RedDwarf82 Posts: 179 Forumite
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    I was in https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/hm-revenue-customs/contact/self-assessment and the website offered me to use the "Web Chat". I have used it to ask about the Barclays £7 tax status...

    "Natalie" needed to
    ask a technical advisor
    Later she told me
    Hi , The £7 loyalty reward is subject to income tax, but cashback and other rewards are not.
    Six minutes later said
    Sorry about this, there are no technical advisors available currently, have just spoke to one however and been told you do not need to declare this. Again sorry for the delay.
    When telling her that the last two sentences were confusing and apparently contradictory I was "transferred to queue SA Tech".

    Now "William" tells me
    hi there, in reference to the loyalty scheme, this would be declared as interest and taxed accordingly
    When I told William that it seems strange to consider it interest, and asking if it's covered by the Personal Savings Allowance he told me
    it does yes, but they would normally give a fived fee for having the account and that is the interest part, as per the Barclays website, states,
    A spokesman from
    Barclays
    said: "The £7
    loyalty reward
    is subject to income tax, while all of the other
    rewards
    and cashback are not. "We recognise that a proportion of customers will need to pay tax.12 May 2016
    Which from a quick Google search seems to indicate... William looked it up in Google and found this article from The Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/personal-banking/current-accounts/the-barclays-loyalty-reward-thats-half-of-what-was-promised/) where "A spokesman from Barclays said"
    The £7 loyalty reward is subject to income tax, while all of the other rewards and cashback are not

    Then the Web Chat "Failed to connect to the server" and the conversation ended.

    What a joke!
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