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Can I borrow money from my small business?

I'm hoping someone can help me as I am very new to this!
OH and I have a recently incorporated small business as secondary employment. It will shortly be £10k in credit, of which I am going to issue £8k profit to us in dividends.

I understand that the remaining £2k must remain in the business as it is our corporation tax liability. However this isn't due for payment to HMRC until March 2015. Is there any way I can borrow this 2k from the company until then, or at least until the company year end in May 2014? How would this be recorded?

Many thanks.

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  • Suarez
    Suarez Posts: 970 Forumite
    When you say £10k in credit I assume you mean £10k in the bank. This is not your profit figure. It may be less than this.
  • yellowcrocus
    yellowcrocus Posts: 130 Forumite
    Debt-free and Proud!
    Thanks for your reply, I have already deducted expenses from this figure so I'm pretty sure (I hope!) it's profit.
  • paddyrg
    paddyrg Posts: 13,543 Forumite
    Your company could lend it to a director, but everything must be regularised before the year end, as I understand it.

    Personally, I'd leave it in the company account to avoid tears when the VAT and CT etc arrive
  • Brassedoff
    Brassedoff Posts: 1,217 Forumite
    Phew, this is going to be a long one. You can declare it as a dividend, but what worries me is that you are unsure. You should know to the last penny your company's financial position.

    Dividends

    Issues you need to consider here are
    A.the tax treatment of dividends
    B.company law requirements
    C.how to avoid illegal dividends
    D.dividend waivers.
    E.Tax treatment of dividends

    For a few years now, it has generally been more tax efficient for you as owner of the businesses trading as companies to extract profits as dividends rather than salary and bonuses. I pay myself the minimum each month, then pay a dividend thst has a much lower rate. Decreases in the rate of corporation tax and increases in national insurance contribution (NIC) rates in the last few tax years have reinforced this trend.

    You need to remember thst dividends paid by a company are not deductible against corporation tax profits but the absence of NIC and the lower effective rate of income tax on dividends make up for the lack of a corporation tax deduction. Due to the effect of a notional tax credit being applied to a cash dividend, the current effective rates of income tax on a dividend apply

    Then take the Company law requirements! One side effect of this is the attention HMRC may pay to the company law requirements of dividends. If HMRC can show that dividends you have paid yourseld are unlawful from a company law perspective at the time of payment, then they could argue that the money extracted was not a dividend but a loan. The tax effects of a loan to a shareholder are different. In addition, there are non-tax effects that may impact on the directors and the shareholders of a company. These effects are summarised in the company law requirements, you might find it worth the cost to learn them.

    One situation where HMRC may take a closer look at a company is where the business suffers a reduction in profits and yet the shareholders continue to extract regular dividends of a similar amount to earlier years. You are wanting to take 100% out!
    You need to know the company law requirements? The rules governing the distribution of profits can be complex, I have got it wrong twice. It was an expensive mistake! The rules have been established predominantly to protect the interests of creditors, you have not mentioned them. Should your company go into liquidation, the creditors have the right to repayment in preference to shareholders. Again, as I said at the top, you don't appear to know the financial position of your firm and this may not be fully possible if shareholders have taken more than they are entitled to as dividends.

    As such, strict rules are necessary to govern dividends with consequences for shareholders and directors if the rules are breached.

    I have copied the General rules I advise my clients when we are planning their business.

    A company can only make a distribution by way of a dividend out of profits available for that purpose. These profits are defined as its accumulated realised profits not previously utilised, less its accumulated losses not previously written off.

    In order to determine whether a dividend payment may be made, the Companies Act 2006 requires justification of the distribution by reference to relevant accounts.


    Relevant accounts of a company means:

    the last annual accounts prepared in accordance with the Companies Act or the interim accounts (in some cases) where an interim dividend is being considered by the directors or the initial accounts if it is a company’s first trading period. Both interim and initial accounts must enable profits, losses, assets, liabilities, share capital and reserves to be determined.


    You need to decide when it comes to paying dividends whether they are final or interim dividends?

    Interim dividends are those you decide upon during the financial period. These are recommended by the directors(sic). The dividend is then approved during a board meeting of the directors and must be minuted. Before declaring an interim dividend, the directors must satisfy themselves that the financial position of the company warrants the payment of such a dividend out of profits available for distribution. Are you sure this is the case for you?

    So the last accounts prepared in accordance with the Companies Act would initially be considered. If these do not show sufficient accumulated profits (as earlier dividends have been paid or are payable out of them), interim accounts would be required. The interim accounts are those necessary to enable a reasonable judgement to be made as to the amount of the distributable profits. If not, you will have an issue.

    The dividend can then be paid to shareholders and the dividend voucher issued. Make sure you do this!

    A final dividend is recommended by directors and approved by shareholders at their general meeting or, as is often the case for private companies, by the members passing a written resolution.

    Once this has been undertaken the payment and voucher can be distributed to the shareholders.

    You need to know the consequences of unlawful dividends

    An unlawful dividend is any distribution or part of one, made by a company to its shareholders that breaches the rules on dividend distribution in the Companies Act.

    The consequences of a breach in the law render the shareholders liable to repay the dividend to the company if at the time of the distribution they knew or had reasonable grounds to suspect it was unlawful. No such liability exists in respect of a shareholder who is an innocent recipient. This principle relates mainly to the liability of a shareholder in a quoted company, who cannot be expected to have detailed knowledge of the day to day running of the company. For an individual who is both a director and shareholder of a private company it will be difficult to argue innocence.

    Should an unlawful dividend be distributed, directors are considered to be ‘in default’ if they permit or fail to prevent the breach. This can lead to a liability that the directors have to pay personally.


    If you really need the money, you need to know how to avoid illegal dividends

    The law is very specific about dividend procedures and even a minor technical breach of them may lead to an unlawful dividend. The most likely breach is where there are insufficient profits to make a distribution and the most likely example of this is where interim dividends are paid. This is often caused by the failure to prepare relevant accounts before making a dividend payment as the lack of accurate information about the level of available profits can result in an excess distribution.

    It should be remembered that there are other methods of withdrawing funds from a company and although dividend distribution is tax efficient, care should be taken when undertaking this method of extraction.

    What to watch out for, there are two main areas to consider:

    1. that correct legal procedures are followed and
    2. whether tax anti-avoidance provisions apply.
    3. If correct procedures are not followed, HMRC can assess the shareholder to tax on part of the overall dividend. The same effect would apply if tax anti-avoidance provisions apply.

    Tax anti-avoidance provisions (really important as they will charge you if you are wrong)

    Where a dividend waiver is used to divert income to other shareholders, HMRC may challenge the waiver on the basis that it constitutes a settlement for income tax purposes. The practical effect of this is similar to an invalid waiver meaning that the dividend received by the other shareholder(s) may be assessed on the shareholder who has waived the dividend.

    Not all waivers are caught. An element of ‘bounty’ is needed for the settlement provisions to apply. HMRC’s view is that ‘bounty’ is present where a dividend waiver enables one or more of the shareholders to receive a larger dividend than would have been possible had no dividend waiver taken place. This could include a situation where the dividend declared could not be satisfied out of the distributable profits unless a waiver was made by one or more shareholders.

    Implications of directors’ loans

    Loans frequently arise between a company and its director/shareholders. Often, the loans are made from the company to an individual director/shareholder but may also arise when the company itself is in need of additional funds. The tax effects of both types of loans are summarised below.

    Loans from the company

    The company perspective

    A tax charge arises where a loan advance (or an increase in a loan) made to a director/shareholder during the accounting period remains outstanding nine months and one day after the end of the accounting period (the due date). The tax rate is 25% of the amount of the loan which existed at the end of the accounting period and which is still outstanding at the due date.

    If the loan is repaid in full (or in part) in a later accounting period, this tax (or part thereof) will then be repaid nine months and one day after the end of that accounting period. For example, if a loan was repaid in January 2012 and the company’s accounting period ends on 31 December 2012, the tax relating to that loan would not be due for repayment until 1 October 2013 - nearly two years after the repayment of the loan. If instead the repayment was made on the last day of that same accounting period on 31 December 2012, the tax refund would still be due on 1 October 2013.

    This might mean tax implications for the director/shareholder?

    If loan interest is either not charged or is charged at less than the official HMRC rate (currently 4%), a taxable benefit will arise. This is generally calculated on an average basis, using average capital outstanding during the tax year and the average interest rate prevailing. Where there is significant fluctuation in loan balances and/or HMRC interest rates then an actual basis (amounts and rates) may apply instead.

    Whatever the resulting benefit, this is then charged to income tax at 20%, 40% or 50%, depending on the circumstances of the individual. The company as employer (but not the employee) will have to pay 13.8% NIC on the employment benefit.

    There is no taxable benefit if interest is charged at the official rate or for certain qualifying loans. There is also an exemption where non qualifying loans do not exceed £5,000 at any time in the tax year.

    What happens if the loan is written off by the company?

    If a loan is written off, an individual who is both a director and shareholder is assessed on the income as dividend income, as opposed to earned income. The effective tax rates are therefore the same as if an actual dividend had been paid to the shareholder.

    Although from a tax viewpoint the income is not assessed as earned income, HMRC generally consider the dividend to be subject to Class 1 employer and employee NIC. so you cannot take £10K out.

    From the company’s point of view, the loan write off is essentially a bad debt for accounts purposes and is initially treated as an expense in the profit and loss account. But is it deductible for corporation tax? The short answer is no. To remove the argument that a tax deduction is due, tax law was changed so that there is no corporation tax deduction for shareholder loan write offs made on or after 24 March 2010.

    The impact of NIC means that it is preferable to pay a real dividend to enable the loan to be cleared. But, as explained earlier, there needs to be sufficient distributable profits to allow the payment of a dividend.


    I hope that clear up the position? Take the £10K minus the NIC I have stated at the bottom of my post. Just make sure you "hold" your meeting etc so its nice and legal.
  • yellowcrocus
    yellowcrocus Posts: 130 Forumite
    Debt-free and Proud!
    Thanks all for your advice. Just to give a bit more context:

    OH and I are the only directors/ employees for our small business that should turn over approx £15k per year.

    OH prvides services under contract and I do all admin/ bookkeeping/ paperwork.

    The company was only incorporated in March and I have kept a record of all the transactions which I am just about to convert into proper bookkeeping format. Our financial matters are very simple, there are no goods, equipment or creditors and very simple expenses. I don't know the exact figures right now but I will do before I issue dividends, loans or anything else!

    As we both have main jobs we are planning to issue all the profit as dividends, so we don't have payroll or NIC issues. I will make sure I follow the correct procedures for issuing dividends, thanks for this info, Brassedoff.

    We are just about to buy a house so may need additional cash for fees, etc. My plan was to borrow the (roughly) 2k that will lneed to be set aside for Corporation Tax from the company account and pay it back before the 9 months and 1 day due date is up. As far as I can work out, as this is under 5k and paid back in time, there will be no legal/ tax/NIC issues. Is this correct? If so, how do I record this transaction from a bookkeeping point of view?

    Many thanks.
  • Brassedoff
    Brassedoff Posts: 1,217 Forumite
    Thanks all for your advice. Just to give a bit more context:

    OH and I are the only directors/ employees for our small business that should turn over approx £15k per year.

    OH prvides services under contract and I do all admin/ bookkeeping/ paperwork.

    The company was only incorporated in March and I have kept a record of all the transactions which I am just about to convert into proper bookkeeping format. Our financial matters are very simple, there are no goods, equipment or creditors and very simple expenses. I don't know the exact figures right now but I will do before I issue dividends, loans or anything else!

    As we both have main jobs we are planning to issue all the profit as dividends, so we don't have payroll or NIC issues. I will make sure I follow the correct procedures for issuing dividends, thanks for this info, Brassedoff.

    We are just about to buy a house so may need additional cash for fees, etc. My plan was to borrow the (roughly) 2k that will lneed to be set aside for Corporation Tax from the company account and pay it back before the 9 months and 1 day due date is up. As far as I can work out, as this is under 5k and paid back in time, there will be no legal/ tax/NIC issues. Is this correct? If so, how do I record this transaction from a bookkeeping point of view?

    Many thanks.


    If it were me, I would just do a minuted meeting where the board agrees to a directors loan for the period.

    Make sure you click my thanks button.
  • yellowcrocus
    yellowcrocus Posts: 130 Forumite
    Debt-free and Proud!
    Great, will do.

    I find the idea of holding a minuted meeting between OH and myself quite hilarious. :rotfl:

    Thanks for your help.
  • easy
    easy Posts: 2,534 Forumite
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    Great, will do.

    I find the idea of holding a minuted meeting between OH and myself quite hilarious. :rotfl:

    Thanks for your help.

    We are in the same situation. My hubby and I normally hold our 'minuted meetings' over a bottle of wine, after our lad has gone to bed.

    I find it even funnier that companies with one director/shareholder still have to present minutes of a meeting/agreement to issue dividends etc.

    BTW, I'm a freelance bookkeeper- so if you have any queries I'm happy to point the way a little.
    I try not to get too stressed out on the forum. I won't argue, i'll just leave a thread if you don't like what I say. :)
  • Brassedoff
    Brassedoff Posts: 1,217 Forumite
    The law works in the strangest of ways. Look on the bright side. A board meeting on Friday started at 10am and finished just past 19.30! Yours takes longer to type the minutes!!!!
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